[fairnas]

پاکستانیوں کا انڈین وژن ۔ خواب یا حقیقت؟

مُجھے شدت سے احساس ھو رھا ھے کہ میں انڈیا کے متعلق کچھ بھی نہیں جانتا۔ پاکستان میں رھنے والے اکثر افراد یہ سمجھتے ھیں کہ وہ انڈیا کو سمجھتے ھیں مگر کیا ایسا ممکن ھے؟

ھماری معلومات انڈین فلموں پر مبنی ھوتی ھیں۔ مگر کیا پاکستانی فلمیں پاکستانی معاشرے کی عکاسی کرتی ھیں؟

ھم سمجھتے ھیں کہ انڈیا اور ھندو ایک ھی ھیں مگر انڈیا میں بیس کروڑ تو مسلمان رھتے ھیں اور پھر نچلی ذاتوں کے بیس کروڑ ھندو بھی جو ایلیٹ کلاس سے اتنا ھی تنگ ھیں جتنا ھم اپنی ایلیٹ کلاس سے۔

پی ٹی وی اور مطالعہ پاکستان ھندووں کی ذھنیت کو سمجھنے کے لیے کافی نہیں یہ تو پاکستانی سیاستدانوں کو بھی مسخ کر کے پیش کرتے رھتے ھیں۔

عوام کی معلومات اور نظریات کچھ بھی ھوں ایک خواص کا طبقہ ایسا ھے جو عوام کو تو انڈیا دشمنی کا سبق دیتا ھے مگر خود

ھمارے سیمنٹ ساز اداروں نے پانچ سال پہلے ھی پیداوار میں اضافہ شروع کر دیا تھا وہ لگائی ھوئی فیکٹریاں اب انڈیا سیمنٹ ایکسپورٹ کرنے کے کام آ رھی ھیں۔

۲۰۱۰ تک انڈیا کے ساتھ ھماری تجارت دس ارب ڈالر تک پہنچ جائے گی یہ کتنا بڑا عدد ھے کبھی آپ نے غور کیا؟

عوام سمجھتے ھیں کہ پہلے کشمیر کا مسئلہ حل ھو گا پھر انڈیا کے ساتھ دوستی بنے گی۔ مگر خواص کیا سمجھتے ھیں۔

پی ٹی وی کے ایک چئیرمین زی ٹی وی دوبئی میں اعلی عہدے پر فائز تھے انہیں وہاں سے اٹھا کر پی ٹی وی کا ھیڈ بنا دیا گیا۔ خواص کیا سمجھتے ھیں؟

میں خود بھی کسی نتیجے پر نہیں پہنچ سکا بس سوال کر رھا ھوں ۔ اگر انڈیا کی بہتی گنگا سے ھاتھ ھی دھونے ھیں تو اس میں عوام کیوں نہ شامل ھوں وھی چند گنے چنے خاندان اپنی تجارت بڑھا رھے ھیں اور ھم وھیں کے وھیں۔

اگر ھمیں اعلی تعلیم کے لیے برطانیہ کے دھکے کھانے ھیں تو انڈیا کیوں نہ جائیں جہاں کی تین یونیورسٹیاں دنیا کی ٹاپ یونیورسٹیز میں شامل ھیں۔اور پھر وھاں زبان ، کلچر اور مھنگائی کا مسئلہ بھی درپیش نہیں ھو گا۔

کیا آپ کسی ایسے ملک کا تصور کر سکتے ھیں جس کے ایک بارڈر پر جاپان ھو اور دوسرے پر امریکہ جیسی اقتصادی قوت ۔ اگر کوئی ایسا ملک ھو تو وہ خوامخواہ ترقی کر جائے گا چاھے اس کے حکمران چاھیں یا نہ چاھیں۔

پاکستان کے ساتھ چائنہ اور انڈیا جیسی دو بڑی طاقتوں کے بارڈر لگتے ھیں اور توانائی کے تمام بڑے ذخائر پاکستان سے ھو کر گزریں گے تو آئندہ دس بیس سال میں پاکستان ھانگ کانگ اور سنگاپور کے لیول پر پہنچ جائے گا اور یہ ناگزیر ھے۔

میری اس ساری گفتگو کا مقصد یہ ھے کہ کیا ھم کو اپنے انڈیا وژن پر نظر ثانی کرنے کی ضرورت ھے یا ھم سمجھتے رھیں کہ ھم ٹھیک ھیں!

ھمارے انڈین دوست اس معاملے پر ھماری راھنمائی کر سکتے ھیں اور اگر وہ پاکستان کی حقیقت جاننا چاھیں تو ھم انہیں بتا سکتے ھیں جو ظاھر ھے دور درشن اور زی نیوز سے مختلف ھو گی۔

[Melodious sylph]

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[fairnas]

Originally Posted by Melodious sylph

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thanx ............

[Melodious sylph]

Originally Posted by fairnas

thanx ............

you are always welcme!!!!

[Style Mantra]

yeh sawal nahi is qaum peh thapar hain jo aj tak kuch samajh hi nahi saki aur apne apko lootay ja rahi hai...nice thread...

[Zubair]

Haqeqat Ye He hai k jo Fairnes ne post kia hia..

India K asia ki super power hai, aur hume uss k sath achi relation rekhe chahye,

Magar humare politician nahi chahte k ye problems kabhi solve hoon,
koiu ki un sayasat ki doukan masle masayel se he chalti hia,

[Zubair]

Aik aur point jo mery mind mein hai wo hai ,


DIVIDE AND RULE.....

[fairnas]

Originally Posted by asjad_pisces

yeh sawal nahi is qaum peh thapar hain jo aj tak kuch samajh hi nahi saki aur apne apko lootay ja rahi hai...nice thread...

thanx AJ

[fairnas]

Originally Posted by Zubair

Haqeqat Ye He hai k jo Fairnes ne post kia hia..

India K asia ki super power hai, aur hume uss k sath achi relation rekhe chahye,

Magar humare politician nahi chahte k ye problems kabhi solve hoon,
koiu ki un sayasat ki doukan masle masayel se he chalti hia,

thanx 4 comments

[ASQR]

U.S. Dunya ki super pwer hay, Laikan dekho kia ho raha hay Iraq main, so Super power mean nothing, agar log us ko pasand na karen, Indai has always been pain for Pskitan as it never dealt wirh pakistan as a soveriegn country, rather it always try to take advantage, by meddelling i kashmir, in hyderabad, in juna garh and finaly East pakistan. go figure.



HAAN MEIN NAY NAMAZ ADA KAR LI HAY. ALHAMD-O-LILLA

[Neo]

very interesting post.... as far as UNI's r concerned... i don't think there should be ne issue...

[mahamwaqar]

Nice one..

[HULK]

Main samajh nahin paya nasir ke tum is article ki base per kiya paish ker rahey ho?

aya ye ideology ke humain india media se un ke tv se buchna chahiyeh hai ya phir ye ke humain india ke saath dosti rakhni chahiyeh hai irrespective of the kashmir problem???

kuch apney views do phir baat aagey berhatey hain:)

[ASQR]

We should be friends to any and all only if they respect us by being reasonable and fair, like coming forward and make peace in Kashmir based on truth and facts and not lies and aggression.

Do not claim that India won all the wars with Pakistan. In Bangla Desh's war, Mujeeb had sent Mukti buhini for training in India long before elections that he blames for separation, his intention was by sending his Mukti for training in India was greed, so that he could become founder of a nation, that is not how you become a founder, you become founder by working against those who occupy your land like English in India. In Kargil pakisan really taught India a lesson, it was that we have a bad leadership who under pressure from abroad told our Army to with draw and that is when most of our soldiers died, why did they not discuss with drawl by making sure that Indian Army do not shoot our soldiers in the back when they are withdrawing, what a shame, I can write many pages but i think u got the idea if not let me know i will explain further.

In 1947 India took Hyderabad by force even though it has promised it will not, so is the case about Junagarh, but in Kashmir India has bee killing kashmiris for 60 years with no shame, and where are all those amnesty guys who went to Bangla Desh very fast, why they don't check India, why these guys don't report on Israel why these guys don't report about Chechnya, it looks they only check Muslims, at least thats is how it looks.

We the Muslim would like those who claim to be the Just to do justice based on facts and not figment of their imaginations.

World court should be world court not European cause all Judges are European in it. United nation never had Muslim secretory general, it has mostly Christians, even Bhutros Bhutros Galy was Egyptian chritain, U.N even had Buddhist as Secretary General, but never in its history a Muslim.

Islam is Religion of peace based on facts and not fictions and lies, those who lie are not condoned by Islam. We the Muslim umma would like peace based on justice and Islam never tells us to kill innocent people as Allah S.W.T. has said in our holy book that if you kill one innocent person. you have killed the whole humanity.

So my friends truth must be told and told all the time, and violance must not be used as a tool to advance one's rights. Life must be respected before so called Democracy. Democracy must be based on free and fair Elections. chances to stand for elections must be provided equally to all the people and not rich.

Resolutions passed by U.N. for Kashmi. Why are they jnoyt implemented. Why?

Kashmir in the United Nations

# Resolution 38 (1948) adopted by the Security Council at its 229th Meeting held on 17 January 1948

# Resolution 39 (1948) adopted by the Security Council at its 230th Meeting held on 20 January 1948

# Draft Resolution presented by the President of the Security Council and the Rapporteur on 6 February 1948

# Resolution 47 (1948) adopted by the Security Council at its 286th Meeting held on 21 April 1948

# Resolution 51 (1948) adopted by the Security Council at its 312th Meeting held on 3 June 1948

# Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 13 August 1948

# Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 5 January 1949

# Proposal in respect of Jammu and Kashmir made by General A.G.L. McNaughton, President of the Security Council of the United Nations on 22 December 1949

# Resolution 80 (1950) adopted by the Security Council at its 470th Meeting held on 14 March 1950

# Resolution 91 (1951) adopted by the Security Council at its 539th Meeting held on 30 March 1951

# Resolution 96 (1951) adopted by the Security Council al its 566th Meeting held on 10 November 1951

# Resolution 98 (1952) adopted by the Security Council at its 611th Meeting held on 23 December 1952

# Resolution 122 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 765th Meeting held on 24 January 1957

# Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Cuba, U.K. and U.S.A. on 14 February 1957

# Resolution 123 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 774th Meeting held on 21 February 1957

# Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Columbia,Philippines on 16 November 1957

# Resolution 126 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 808th Meeting held on 2 December 1957

# Draft Resolution submitted by Ireland to the Security Council on June 22, 1962

# Statement of the President of the Security Council (French Representative) made on the 18 May 1964 at the 1117th Meeting of the Council (Document No. S/PV. 1117, dated the 18 May l964) summarizing the conclusion of the debate on Kashmir

# Resolution 209 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1237th Meeting held on 4 September 1965

# Resolution 210 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1238th Meeting held on 6 September 1965

# Resolution 211 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1242nd Meeting held on 20 September 1965

# Resolution 214 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1245th Meeting held on 27 September 1965

# Resolution 215 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its1251st Meeting held on 5 November 1965

# Resolution 303 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its1606th Meeting held on 6 December 1971

# Question considered by the Security Council at its 1606th, 1607th and 1608th Meetings held on 4,5 and 6 December 1971

# Resolution 307 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its 1616th Meeting held on 21 December 1971

[fairnas]

Originally Posted by mahamwaqar

Nice one..

thanx /...................

[ASQR]

Take a look at another eye opening documentary about Indian atrocities in Kashmir

India Terrorism in Indian Kashmir

[Mahira414]

hmarey or india k beech ma ab bhi kuch masley aisey hyn jo hm awaam honey ki hasiat se solve nai kar saktey ya to hmari parties un maslon per ghor karen but esa wo karen ge nahi ... india or pakistan k beech sab se bara issue kashmir hy jo awaam ko ik 2srey se door rkhey huey hy .... or is baat ka poora faida hmari or india ki govt.uthati hy mujhy to is baat ka koi solution as a public nazr nai aata

[ASQR]

Mahiras14. Why there is no solution of kashmir, and why there is no solution for Palistine, only thing standing between solution to these problems is the unwillingness of India and of Isael to solve it, frame work is there provided by U.N. and if these two countries were willing to be peacefull they should apply U.N. resolutions already provided.

These two countries use U.N. facilities and yet refuse to apply its laws, Let me remind all that U.N. is a international court, and its resolutions are passed by democratic means and if they are not implemented, than those who ignore these are not fair and reasonable.

There are many more countries who refuse to apply the resolutions but India and Israel are the one who claim to be democratic and yet refuse democrticaly passed resolution by the international court. It proves that their democracies are a show peace and had nothing to do with real Democratic acts.

They both should apply all resolutions and set an example for others.

[Mahira414]

to ma bhi to yehi keh rhi hoon is sb mamle mai hm awaam kia mr sktey hyn or aap ko kia lgta hy hmari govt. kyun jayegi U.N k pas resolution k liye kia koi 1 reason bhi dhi hy apke paas???

[ASQR]

Hold free and fair plebisite under eye of Muslim countries joined by some nonmuslims to ensure the fair ness of elections, but they must first be approved by Kashmiris first.

All India forces must be withdrwan first and pay the blod money to the familiea of those kiled and maimed by India.

India must act like a goodneighboue and sart acting like neighbour and not like super power, which it cannot be.

As for as miliatryt prowess is concerned pakistan Army no less than India, so India must stop day dreaming and start behaving like a good neiogh bour.

India can start by not interfering in Pakistani rivers and act on all the pacts as a good neighbour and like a bully. Than and only than there can ce recpect and peace when indai can behave like a genuine respectfull and neighbourly for all its neighbours.

Right now all its neighbours hate India as she keeeps throwing its weight around lke a bully.