[umarqureshi]

main kaafi dino se aik baat soch raha tha
socha yahan share karon

baat ye hai
ke

kia aap log samajhte hain ke we as a nation should be given the right to VOTE?

kia hum (we as a nation) waqaiyee aik democratic government deserve karte hain?

[Sav3rA]

pakistan mai jo log vote dete hain wo thori na count hote hain....

box's khud bhare jate hain .

phir chahe koi vote de ya nahi..winner wohi hote hain fake vote wale...

abhi jo karachi mai election howi dekha nahi tha apne??

jahan tak vote dene ki bat hai to zahir si bat hai dena chahiye..lekin hamare sirf aik vote dene se kuch nahi hoga keu ke wo log 100 ki tadad mai box's full karte hain fake vote's se

[umarqureshi]

Fake Votes !

last tym election main to sab ye baat mane ge ke election fare thay
otherwise someone from the same previous govt. will be there
laikin sab log jo change hue hain is ka matlab hai
ke public votes ko count kia gaya hai

laikin mera question ye nahin hai ke votes count hote hain ya nahin

mera question hai ke hum log itne "BASHAOOR " hain ke humain VOTE karne ka haq diya jaye

[Sav3rA]

[quote=umarqureshi;1286705]Fake Votes !

last tym election main to sab ye baat mane ge ke election fare thay
otherwise someone from the same previous govt. will be there
laikin sab log jo change hue hain is ka matlab hai
ke public votes ko count kia gaya hai

so u mean to say that cheating nahi howi?..
karachi mai hamare ghar wale polling mai jitne voters ke nam they..votes us se double nikle wahan se ..maine pucha ke kiya bacho ne Vote diye akey?..khair thats fake voting is a different story..
laikin mera question ye nahin hai ke votes count hote hain ya nahin

mera question hai ke hum log itne "BASHAOOR " hain ke humain VOTE karne ka haq diya jaye

pak mai Vote dene ki age 18 years hai..aur i think 18 years ki age mai to zahir hai baat hai "Bashaoor" hote hain sab..
lekin muje aik baat bataye..hum jin ko vote dete hain leader ya acha samjh ke??na to hum unse kabhi personaly mile hain na real mai dekha hai..kiya sirf unki 2/4 speachs sunke unse inspire hoke Vote dege???

Shaoor aik alag cheez hai...Shaoor Insan ko kuch seekhne ke bad ata hai..lets say ke MQM ne is bar kuch nahi kiya isliye next time PPP ko vote dege,,lekin Vote hum kisi party ko to nahi de rahe vote to Hum us party ke Leader ko de rahe hain....aur ab kon kesa hai yeh to koi nahi janta

[umarqureshi]

[quote=savera;1286708]

Originally Posted by umarqureshi

Fake Votes !

last tym election main to sab ye baat mane ge ke election fare thay
otherwise someone from the same previous govt. will be there
laikin sab log jo change hue hain is ka matlab hai
ke public votes ko count kia gaya hai

so u mean to say that cheating nahi howi?..
karachi mai hamare ghar wale polling mai jitne voters ke nam they..votes us se double nikle wahan se ..maine pucha ke kiya bacho ne Vote diye akey?..khair thats fake voting is a different story..
laikin mera question ye nahin hai ke votes count hote hain ya nahin

mera question hai ke hum log itne "BASHAOOR " hain ke humain VOTE karne ka haq diya jaye

pak mai Vote dene ki age 18 years hai..aur i think 18 years ki age mai to zahir hai baat hai "Bashaoor" hote hain sab..
lekin muje aik baat bataye..hum jin ko vote dete hain leader ya acha samjh ke??na to hum unse kabhi personaly mile hain na real mai dekha hai..kiya sirf unki 2/4 speachs sunke unse inspire hoke Vote dege???

Shaoor aik alag cheez hai...Shaoor Insan ko kuch seekhne ke bad ata hai..lets say ke MQM ne is bar kuch nahi kiya isliye next time PPP ko vote dege,,lekin Vote hum kisi party ko to nahi de rahe vote to Hum us party ke Leader ko de rahe hain....aur ab kon kesa hai yeh to koi nahi janta

EXXACTLY yehi baat main bhi bol raha hoon ke insaan sekhe bhi na
i remember ke jab last tym governments change hui to aanay wali government ne pichli government pe khul ke ilzamaat lagaye aur unhain is tarha se proof kiya ke hum log dil o damaagh se maan gaye the ke last government corrupt thi

laikin jab agle elections aate hain to "WOHI LOG" onchi awaaz main jazbaati se taqreer karte hain aur hum fer se kehte hain ke ye sahi hain
aur fer unhi ko vote dete hain

is saare amal main "learning curve" kahan aata hai?

Kia waqiyee hum "BASHAOOR" hain is muamlay main

"Jo" jitna ooncha bolta hai hum ye maante hain ke wo utna hi saccha hai .

aur ye aik dafa nahin har baar hota hai

abhi jo govt gayee hai last hum ne bhula diya hai ke agar unhon ne koi ghalat kaam kiye hain to kuch acha bhi kiya hai (main kisi govt. ke haq main nahin hoon)
laikin aaj ye jo arbon kharbon ke nuqsaan ki baatain ho rahi hain kal ko yehi leaders fer election main khare hon ge aur oonchi awaaz main jazbaati si taqreerain karain ge aur hum fer inhi ko vote de ke "QAUM ka LEADER" bana lain ge.

[HULK]

Well, democracy as a nation honi chahiyeh hai ya nahin, us se pehley humain ye sawal poochna chahiyeh hai ke hum as a nation exist kertey hain ya as an UMMAH?

ager to as a nation exist kertey hain, to phir it means ke hum secular hain. aur ager as an UMMAH exist kertey hain to phir islamic political system ko follow kerna must hai because hum musalmaan hain aur humain apney rehen sehen main wohi tareeka ikhtiyar kerna chahiyeh hai jo ke Allah SWT aur us ke Rasool SAW ka bataya huwa hai.

Democracy aik foreign word hai aur is ki definition bhi wohi hai jo non muslims ne di hai. Islamic political system thora different hai aur wahan per we are not required to vote for a leader selection. to some extent, american president election is held on islamic political system. Jaisey ke electorals hotey hain jo president elect kertey hain and people elect those electorals.

Main inshallah tafseel se islamic political system ko yahan define karoonga:)

[HULK]

What I would like to add here is, that islam is the true methodology to spend life and we all agree to it. Somehow, westerns or should I say the whole world, is stuck on the opinion that democracy is the right form of govt. If I have to convince a KAAFIR about islamic way of govt, yes then I would have to go and research the goods of islam and bads of other forms, however to a muslim I would simply say that lets see what islam teaches us and then compare the pitfalls of what un-islamic or non-islamic people have come up with.

for example, democracy is quite old. And we being muslims believe that whatever islam tells us, is correct and is the mot optimum source of spending life. If being muslims we believe that, then the problem is solved, and the islamic version of politics is hence proved to be the most efficient and beneficient way of government.

there may some differences in islamic govt and a typical democratic form of govt, but rest assured the perfection in islam is non limited and is in the best interests of the people. Isnt that what democracy apparently tell too? "govt of the people, by the people, and for the people"......however, remember those who have always spoken against democracy by calling it "a rule of mob".

[HULK]

I am jotting here down the islamic political system here so that it can be interpreted along with my above post

Praise be to Allaah.

What is required of every Muslim is to practise the religion of Allaah as much as he is able to. The imaamah (Islamic political leadership) has been prescribed for the purpose of establishing the religion of Allaah. No one should think that the fact that there is no imaam at any given time in any given country means that we can be negligent and introverted and not practise or establish any aspect of the religion. Among the people of misguidance during this age and at other times there are those who say that we do not need to establish any of the symbols of Islam until a khaleefah has been appointed over the Muslims and the Islamic state has been established. This is one of the worst kinds of misguidance, and believing this leads to abandoning Jumu’ah prayers, prayer in jamaa’ah, Hajj, jihaad, collecting zakaah, prayer for rain (istisqaa’), Eid prayers, appointing imaams for mosques, calling the adhaan and other things, which amounts to cancelling the rulings of Islam. What do the people who say this have to say about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can” [al-Taghaabun 64:16]? What do they have to say about the hadeeth, “Whatever I command you to do, do as much of it as you can”? It is obligatory to take care of all matters of religion, starting with the most important, then the next most important, so we should study the religion of Allaah, the most important aspect of which is knowledge of the teaching of Tawheed, then establishing the symbols and rituals of Islam and the other duties. No doubt occupying oneself with these things is the most important thing, and each person should do everything that he is able to do. There cannot be an Islamic state without proper understanding of the religion and achieving eemaan (faith) and Tawheed, and ridding ourselves of shirk, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah has promised those among you who believe and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the land, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise their religion which He has chosen for them (i.e. Islam). And He will surely, give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they (believers) worship Me and do not associate anything (in worship) with Me” [al-Noor 24:55].

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stayed in Makkah for thirteen years, calling people to Allaah and teaching Tawheed and ‘Aqeedah, reciting the Revelation to them, debating to the kuffaar with in the best manner, bearing their persecution with patience, as well as praying and establishing the acts of worship which had been prescribed at that time. He did not forgo teaching the religion, although the Islamic state had not been established in Makkah at that time. Moreover, how can an Islamic state be established without an ideological foundation and a society of Muslims who been educated in the religion and have learned it thoroughly? He spoke the truth who said: Establish the Islamic state in yourselves, and it will be established for you in your land. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

[umarqureshi]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

Well, democracy as a nation honi chahiyeh hai ya nahin, us se pehley humain ye sawal poochna chahiyeh hai ke hum as a nation exist kertey hain ya as an UMMAH?

ager to as a nation exist kertey hain, to phir it means ke hum secular hain. aur ager as an UMMAH exist kertey hain to phir islamic political system ko follow kerna must hai because hum musalmaan hain aur humain apney rehen sehen main wohi tareeka ikhtiyar kerna chahiyeh hai jo ke Allah SWT aur us ke Rasool SAW ka bataya huwa hai.

Democracy aik foreign word hai aur is ki definition bhi wohi hai jo non muslims ne di hai. Islamic political system thora different hai aur wahan per we are not required to vote for a leader selection. to some extent, american president election is held on islamic political system. Jaisey ke electorals hotey hain jo president elect kertey hain and people elect those electorals.

Main inshallah tafseel se islamic political system ko yahan define karoonga:)

You question that "we are a nation or UMMAH" well i think we are not both of them we are just a group of people who are living in a geographical boundry, where everyone is just thinking about himself, his home and thats all.

so far as i know a nation should be united as one, an UMMAH should be following the rules guided by the ISLAM.

I doubt we are not any thing

Main bhi yehi samajhta hoon ke Democracy is not the best sort of Government for a country where 98% of the population is muslim.
To kiyon hum log hamesha DEMOCRACY ka hi naara lagatay hain
kiyonhum log democreacy ke ilawa aur kuch nahin sochtay
Hum kiyon is KHUSHFEHMI main hain ke aik DEMOCRATIC government humare saaray masayal ka hal hai.

I am Really confused :(

[umarqureshi]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

I am jotting here down the islamic political system here so that it can be interpreted along with my above post

Praise be to Allaah.

What is required of every Muslim is to practise the religion of Allaah as much as he is able to. The imaamah (Islamic political leadership) has been prescribed for the purpose of establishing the religion of Allaah. No one should think that the fact that there is no imaam at any given time in any given country means that we can be negligent and introverted and not practise or establish any aspect of the religion. Among the people of misguidance during this age and at other times there are those who say that we do not need to establish any of the symbols of Islam until a khaleefah has been appointed over the Muslims and the Islamic state has been established. This is one of the worst kinds of misguidance, and believing this leads to abandoning Jumu’ah prayers, prayer in jamaa’ah, Hajj, jihaad, collecting zakaah, prayer for rain (istisqaa’), Eid prayers, appointing imaams for mosques, calling the adhaan and other things, which amounts to cancelling the rulings of Islam. What do the people who say this have to say about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can” [al-Taghaabun 64:16]? What do they have to say about the hadeeth, “Whatever I command you to do, do as much of it as you can”? It is obligatory to take care of all matters of religion, starting with the most important, then the next most important, so we should study the religion of Allaah, the most important aspect of which is knowledge of the teaching of Tawheed, then establishing the symbols and rituals of Islam and the other duties. No doubt occupying oneself with these things is the most important thing, and each person should do everything that he is able to do. There cannot be an Islamic state without proper understanding of the religion and achieving eemaan (faith) and Tawheed, and ridding ourselves of shirk, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah has promised those among you who believe and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the land, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise their religion which He has chosen for them (i.e. Islam). And He will surely, give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they (believers) worship Me and do not associate anything (in worship) with Me” [al-Noor 24:55].

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stayed in Makkah for thirteen years, calling people to Allaah and teaching Tawheed and ‘Aqeedah, reciting the Revelation to them, debating to the kuffaar with in the best manner, bearing their persecution with patience, as well as praying and establishing the acts of worship which had been prescribed at that time. He did not forgo teaching the religion, although the Islamic state had not been established in Makkah at that time. Moreover, how can an Islamic state be established without an ideological foundation and a society of Muslims who been educated in the religion and have learned it thoroughly? He spoke the truth who said: Establish the Islamic state in yourselves, and it will be established for you in your land. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Thank you veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Much for such a brief defination for ISLAMIC METHODOLOGY of LEADERSHIP.

Meri maluumaat main waqaiyee bahut izaafa hua hai


Thank you very much again

[HULK]

you are welcome umar:)

please do not be confused:).
hamarey haan democracy ka wavela is liyeh machaya jata hia kiyun ke hum islamic shariah ko follow nahin kertey hain. hamari ye bohat bari ghalat fehmi hai ke pakistan aik muslim state hai aur wahan per islam practise kiya jata hai:).

political system bhi shariah ne define kiya huwa hai jaisa ke main ne ooper mention kiya hai. nation hona itna zaroori nahin jitna ke ummah hona. ager hum aik ummah bun ke unite ho sakain, to i dont think there is any hurdle in the implementation of islamic system. islam ne to humain mukammal zabit e hayat diya hai. mager hum hi budkisamt hain ke muslim ho ke bhi hum islam se duur hain.

pakistan could be anything but a muslim state. jo ardent muslim scholars hain, un se kabhi pooch ke dekhna, wo yehi kahaingey ke pakistan main siwae islam ke baqi sub kuch hota hai. pakistan is not a practising islamic state....sirf naam ke musalmaan hain. islam ne hamari her problem ko define aur solution provide kiya huwa hai, but zahir hai jub tuk hum apney mehwar se bhataktey rahaingey khuwari hamara muqaddar banti rahegi.

[Zubair]

Originally Posted by umarqureshi

Fake Votes !

last tym election main to sab ye baat mane ge ke election fare thay
otherwise someone from the same previous govt. will be there
laikin sab log jo change hue hain is ka matlab hai
ke public votes ko count kia gaya hai

laikin mera question ye nahin hai ke votes count hote hain ya nahin

mera question hai ke hum log itne "BASHAOOR " hain ke humain VOTE karne ka haq diya jaye

Nahi We Donot deserve...

Sub ne dekha hai k hum ne iss dafa kin ko vote dia!!!
Kinhe Government me le kar ayye ....


Wo JoPhle Me 10% thy baad me Mr.100% ho gaye...
Wo jo KARZ UTARO AUR MULK SANWARO k nam pe arbon rupee k gaban kia.


Wo aj GAREEB awam ki baat karte hain...

SHAHEED BHUTTO ki nara ROTI,KAPRA AUR MAKAN ko sharminda kar dia...

[Zubair]

Hume ne Pure MUSLIM NATION k HERO ko PHANSI de di jis ka jurm aj tak sabit nahi hosak,

haa agar uss ne koi jurm kia tha k wo pori Muslim Nations ko United karna chahta tha,
Jis Ne America ko Bold andaz me lalkara tha.

Jo Pakistan ko Gateway of Islamic Countries banana chata tha...

Afsos hota hai aj bohat...


aur ye humare SHARIF BRO, CHUD. BRO. & MR. ZARADARI aaj aish kar rahe hain....


KOIU nahi hia in ka athesab karne wala ......

[Zubair]

Aaj Mulk Taqseem hone ki baatein ho rahi hain

Pura Economics Kaharb ho gai hai,

Industries band Ho rahi hain,

Awan pareshan Hain magar inn ko

JUDICIARY ki baatein kar k politics kar rahe hain.......

[Zubair]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

you are welcome umar:)

please do not be confused:).
hamarey haan democracy ka wavela is liyeh machaya jata hia kiyun ke hum islamic shariah ko follow nahin kertey hain. hamari ye bohat bari ghalat fehmi hai ke pakistan aik muslim state hai aur wahan per islam practise kiya jata hai:).

political system bhi shariah ne define kiya huwa hai jaisa ke main ne ooper mention kiya hai. nation hona itna zaroori nahin jitna ke ummah hona. ager hum aik ummah bun ke unite ho sakain, to i dont think there is any hurdle in the implementation of islamic system. islam ne to humain mukammal zabit e hayat diya hai. mager hum hi budkisamt hain ke muslim ho ke bhi hum islam se duur hain.

pakistan could be anything but a muslim state. jo ardent muslim scholars hain, un se kabhi pooch ke dekhna, wo yehi kahaingey ke pakistan main siwae islam ke baqi sub kuch hota hai. pakistan is not a practising islamic state....sirf naam ke musalmaan hain. islam ne hamari her problem ko define aur solution provide kiya huwa hai, but zahir hai jub tuk hum apney mehwar se bhataktey rahaingey khuwari hamara muqaddar banti rahegi.

Bilkul Sahi Nadeem bhai,
maagr Democracy Islam ka hisa hai ...
Mujhe sahi waqia yaar nahi 3rd Khulifat ka ,
parh k post kar doon ga.

[HULK]

Zaroor kerna zubair:).
jo democracy hum aur aap jantey hain, wo hergiz islamic nahin hai. islam main ye zaroori nahin ke her insaan apna vote istemaal karey:)

islamic political system ki definition beta zaroor ooper wali post main perhna. wahan saaf likha hai ke aik qaed aik leader ko chunney ke liyeh kiya kiya cheezain zaroori hain:).

main intezaar karoong wo incident zaroor post kerna. aur baqi jahan tuk tumhari baqi batain hain main ne andaza lagaya hai ke tum sirf bhutto ke fan ho:). well, ager meri rae poocho to main bhi sirf ussi ka fan hoon:). however jub hum islamic system ki baat kertey hain to bhutto ki is silsiley main kiya policy thi, wo kuch ziada zahir nahin hai. Albatta during the same days shah iran ne iran main nihayat bud-kirdaar society kayem ker rakhi thi, aur shayyad (i am not sure issi liyeh shayyad keh raha hoon) bhutto pakistan main islamic nizaam na aaney deta, kiyun ke us ne karachi main jo casino under constructon rakha tha, wo jeeta jagta proof hai ke aik islamic state main aisi cheezain exist nahin ker saktin:).

beherhaal siyasat aur democracy islam se zara hut ker hain is liyeh in dono ko mix kerna kuch ziadab heter nahin lagta mujhey:)