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Topic for Debate:

Do Bollywood movies have a bad influence on the Pakistan culture?

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Members for my team :

Loyal
Mahamwaqar

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Asjad's Team will start Debate.

Asjad's Team : No They Don't have a bad influence on Pakistani culture.
Kool Guy's Team : No They have a bad influence on Pakistani culture.

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Ok I got the announcement abt tha cange of topic ... just one more question can we broad it to Indian TV as well?? its more infused into us.

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yes u may!!!

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Topic
Do Indian movies n tv channels have a bad influence on the Pakistan culture?

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Do Indian movies n tv channels have a bad influence on the Pakistan culture?

Influence of Indian Cinema and TV !! Hmm before discussing the effects, let me define Pakistani Culture;

It has been changed drastically over the decades and so many ppl think that it’s just because Indian media which has been infused so much in our society through cable … but Is this a JUSTIFACTION of what we have been now???

Nope! I don’t think so … Its not like that I started wearing western clothes and cross all my limits and say that since it’s going on all around so I have all rights to do the same …

No! Its all about MY OWN VALUES and STRATEGY to spend my life … surrounding can affect up to insignificant % and YOU CAN’T CALL THE WHOLE UP-SIDE-DOWN SCENARIO AN INFLUENCE … its just a Lame Excuse which no one (who has some sensibility) gonna accept.

The LOT which has been totally out of the track of the Pakistani Culture is not one who watch Indian serials, soaps or even movies … it is a lot comprising those elites and pretending-to-be-elites who are Hollywood fan and following European/American culture and trying to implement all those things into their everyday lives.

If dating (not the one it used to be), clubbing, dance party, smoking (women)/additions and all such things are not a BIG SURPRIZE now, here in Pk, then it’s not India who is responsible for it … IT’S THE SYSYTEM WE ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE HERE, FORGETTING THAT IT IS ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN … IT’s OUR ENLIGHTENED MODERATION PHILOSOPHY noting else.

So c’mon ppl if you’re not shameful in acquiring such things, then, why not DARING to accept the truth.

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[mahamwaqar]

Originally Posted by AQN

Do Indian movies n tv channels have a bad influence on the Pakistan culture?

Influence of Indian Cinema and TV !! Hmm before discussing the effects, let me define Pakistani Culture;

It has been changed drastically over the decades and so many ppl think that it’s just because Indian media which has been infused so much in our society through cable … but Is this a JUSTIFACTION of what we have been now???

Nope! I don’t think so … Its not like that I started wearing western clothes and cross all my limits and say that since it’s going on all around so I have all rights to do the same …

No! Its all about MY OWN VALUES and STRATEGY to spend my life … surrounding can affect up to insignificant % and YOU CAN’T CALL THE WHOLE UP-SIDE-DOWN SCENARIO AN INFLUENCE … its just a Lame Excuse which no one (who has some sensibility) gonna accept.

The LOT which has been totally out of the track of the Pakistani Culture is not one who watch Indian serials, soaps or even movies … it is a lot comprising those elites and pretending-to-be-elites who are Hollywood fan and following European/American culture and trying to implement all those things into their everyday lives.

If dating (not the one it used to be), clubbing, dance party, smoking (women)/additions and all such things are not a BIG SURPRIZE now, here in Pk, then it’s not India who is responsible for it … IT’S THE SYSYTEM WE ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE HERE, FORGETTING THAT IT IS ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN … IT’s OUR ENLIGHTENED MODERATION PHILOSOPHY noting else.

So c’mon ppl if you’re not shameful in acquiring such things, then, why not DARING to accept the truth.

Yes there are so many other factors as well which we can consider as a root cause of muslim downfall but we are not here to discuss the causes of Paki's downfall.you didnt mention any positive impact of tv or indian movies on pakistan culture yet?

Let me point out how tv and indian movies are affecting muslim civilization

1 The first impact is on the minds of our new genertaion, indian movies and tv is only promotiong vulgarity, teen agers are getting involve with opposite ***. they are dedicating indian songs through mobiles, they are saying dialogues to each other which they get from indian movies. we cant blame westen movies for this as pakistan's people are not as much educated to understand them.

2 The second one is on our dresses, sarri with deep neck becomes so common in pakistan which is prohibited in our islamic culture

3 Kashish jhumkas becomes girls heart beat while we forgot our own traditional jewellery

4 Impact on our children minds... Our children may not know the part of speech today but they know the lyrics of dhoom macha dey, they even know the name of villains, heroes and heroines of indian movies but they dont know about the real heroes of pakistan like hazrat abu bakar siddique, hazrat umar etc

5 Fifth one is on our language, we all are snatching so many words of indian language like prem, namastey, ashirwad, parsad and so on

what will you say about all these influences?

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Originally Posted by mahamwaqar

Yes there are so many other factors as well which we can consider as a root cause of muslim downfall but we are not here to discuss the causes of Paki's downfall.you didnt mention any positive impact of tv or indian movies on pakistan culture yet?

Let me point out how tv and indian movies are affecting muslim civilization


2 The second one is on our dresses, sarri with deep neck becomes so common in pakistan which is prohibited in our islamic culture


what will you say about all these influences?

Well though our topic is whether they have a bad influence on Pakistani Culture or not … so its not exactly mean that is it leaving some good impact or not? … but still there are few I like to point out here;

If consider Indian TV more here, then I can give you example that INFACT we learnt something good from that. I appreciate Indian TV (focusing dramas and all that) policies that they are playing a pretty good role in promoting their OWN culture which they are losing as well.

This always make me think where are we going … and I ‘m pretty sure it must makes so many other pplz to think the same who BOTHER TO THINK ABOUT …
Take any stuff from Star Plus or Sony … every where you would see (as u too said) the saaris, jewelries, shalwaar kameez, a very sweet and loving eastern girl with all the eastern values in the lead role, all pooja paat thing, promoting every of their religious festival and even of Muslims’ Eid n so … and things like that.

While if you would compare our media (TV) policies in this regard, you would find that we’re far away from them but so far what we could learn is the change I noticed last Ramadan … the very first time Ramadan Mubarak was the part of our routine drama serial (there was some at Geo TV) … otherwise we do not let any festival (both religious and national) do come to our TV screens … and only Eids are supposed to be those which has been given enough importance to be on aired as just SPECIAL TRANSMISSION … nothing more than that. So how come we think that our kids will learn more and more about these things.

So is the case with movies … there are so many examples when they made a blockbuster with a patriotic approach … and every time it initiates feeling of LOVE for the country but of course for you, they can’t make something with Love Pakistan or Be Muslim approach … why we don’t understand this??

Now tell me
is it their responsibility to promote Islamic Culture?

Is it their responsibility to let only such things to be on-aired in Pakistan which is more relevant to our culture and religion??

EVERY ONE WOULD ANSWER "NO" here ... then why we're blaming them.

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Originally Posted by mahamwaqar

Let me point out how tv and indian movies are affecting muslim civilization

1 The first impact is on the minds of our new genertaion, indian movies and tv is only promotiong vulgarity, teen agers are getting involve with opposite ***. they are dedicating indian songs through mobiles, they are saying dialogues to each other which they get from indian movies. we cant blame westen movies for this as pakistan's people are not as much educated to understand them.

3 Kashish jhumkas becomes girls heart beat while we forgot our own traditional jewellery

what will you say about all these influences?

To OBSERVE and ABSORB, there’s no need to be educated so even if you think that ppl of Pakistan are not enough educated to understand Western Movies they (We) are vulnerable to acquire such things from West. Visual Effect is more than enough for the topic under discussion.

Basically East if following the West … Pakistan and India are almost same if you would see their TRUE CULTURE, just like us today’s India is not representing the right Indian culture but at least their media (electronic) are TRYING.

But again I would like you to re-read my first message neutrally that the Pakistani Lot which has nothing to do with any thing EASTERN (from language to clothing to activities).

U talked about Kashish Jhumkas … ok then let me tell you that jhumka ia a part of our tradition and culture as well … thank to them once again that these become the HEART BEAT of our young gals (as you said) … so is the case with Traditional shalwar kameez … so AGAIN THEY SUCCEEDED WHILE WE COULD NEVER PROMOTE ANYTHING SO FAR …

and How we could!! Just look at our TV channels … NO matter its News or A Talk Show or a drama, GLAMOUR is every where. I don’t think that Zee TV newscaster dressed up the way our PTV’s do … forget about all the private TV channels … so is this a BAD THING WHICH WE LEARNT FROM INDIA?

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Originally Posted by mahamwaqar

4 Impact on our children minds... Our children may not know the part of speech today but they know the lyrics of dhoom macha dey, they even know the name of villains, heroes and heroines of indian movies but they dont know about the real heroes of pakistan like hazrat abu bakar siddique, hazrat umar etc

5 Fifth one is on our language, we all are snatching so many words of indian language like prem, namastey, ashirwad, parsad and so on

what will you say about all these influences?

Aa’n Haa’n .. tu just reply me these few questions;

1. WHO IS LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE?
I guess Parents, Teachers, Old Generation, Media, Government …every one is relying on the other person and handing over their responsibilities to the next one but still want that NOTHING SHOULD GO WRONG, rigth.

2. WHY PAKISTANI MOBILE COMPANIES OFFERING INDIAN SONGS’ TUNES AND ALL THAT.
Does India Forced them to do so or paying some money to them?

3. WHO WILL TELL THEM ABOUT THE REAL HEROES OF PAKISTAN and ISLAM?
Don’t tell me that we, the Pakistani Nation are waiting INDIA to do THIS FAVOR to us.

[mahamwaqar]

I appreciate Indian TV (focusing dramas and all that) policies that they are playing a pretty good role in promoting their OWN culture

Very true!
Thats what also my point is! They are promoting and we are accepting!!!

Take any stuff from Star Plus or Sony … every where you would see (as u too said) the saaris, jewelries, shalwaar kameez, a very sweet and loving eastern girl with all the eastern values in the lead role,

Saaris with deep necks?? sleeveless qameez without dupatta??Shorts with a tight fitted shirt?? is it you call " EASTERN GIRL" ?? Estern girl is some what hidden like a diamond in a shell..you can clearly observe pakistan's girls today that we are highly adopting all such stuff from there.. such dresses are not a part of our culture. its indian culture which we are adopting!

all pooja paat thing, promoting every of their religious festival and even of Muslims’ Eid n so … and things like that.

Festivals??In eid we should thank God for blessing us with the reward of jannat for keeping all fasts in ramadan inspite of watching eid shows @ tv or admiring star plus that that they are celebrating our festivals.. Its again not our culture to celebrate eid in such non islamic way but still we are celebrating it just alike indian tv channels are! SEE, again we are neglecting our traditions and we are blindly running toward them. but here an question arises?? how could be it possible for them to influnce us in such a stronger way?? the only answer is "THROUGH MEDIA"

only Eids are supposed to be those which has been given enough importance to be on aired as just SPECIAL TRANSMISSION … nothing more than that. So how come we think that our kids will learn more and more about these things.

Can you leave a remote control in the hand of your kid and let him allow to watch anything lonely?? "NO" the reason beside is, now a days, media is only promoting vulgarity. Indian movies and tv is promoting dances songs and different types of music shows in such festivals. and you said our kids will learn more and more through this ??? Interesting!

So is the case with movies … there are so many examples when they made a blockbuster with a patriotic approach …

The number of such movies are just as equal to the proportion of quantity of salt in flour! i can give you thousand examples of indian movies which are only promoting vulgarity & we are taking alot of influece from them. In pakistan you wont find a single mobile where thereznt any indian ringtone or video in it! what will you say this? isnt it bad influence of indian movies or tv??? is it you call our culture??

Now tell me
is it their responsibility to promote Islamic Culture?

Is it their responsibility to let only such things to be on-aired in Pakistan which is more relevant to our culture and religion??

EVERY ONE WOULD ANSWER "NO" here ... then why we're blaming them


its responsibility of our own tv channels to promote islamic stuff
but the point is, they are adopting indian's traditions and presenting them in front of new generation as a result of which we are getting far away from our own culture and immitating their culture for instance; have a look in any marriage ceremony??
the dances, the songs, the dresses, different types of rasms like mehndi mayoun, joota shupai, doodh pilai what ever .. is it
our culture??No!!! Its a clear visible picture of indian movies influnce!!

[mahamwaqar]

Originally Posted by AQN

To OBSERVE and ABSORB, there’s no need to be educated so even if you think that ppl of Pakistan are not enough educated to understand Western Movies they (We) are vulnerable to acquire such things from West. Visual Effect is more than enough for the topic under discussion.

Basically East if following the West … Pakistan and India are almost same if you would see their TRUE CULTURE, just like us today’s India is not representing the right Indian culture but at least their media (electronic) are TRYING.

But again I would like you to re-read my first message neutrally that the Pakistani Lot which has nothing to do with any thing EASTERN (from language to clothing to activities).

U talked about Kashish Jhumkas … ok then let me tell you that jhumka ia a part of our tradition and culture as well … thank to them once again that these become the HEART BEAT of our young gals (as you said) … so is the case with Traditional shalwar kameez … so AGAIN THEY SUCCEEDED WHILE WE COULD NEVER PROMOTE ANYTHING SO FAR …

and How we could!! Just look at our TV channels … NO matter its News or A Talk Show or a drama, GLAMOUR is every where. I don’t think that Zee TV newscaster dressed up the way our PTV’s do … forget about all the private TV channels … so is this a BAD THING WHICH WE LEARNT FROM INDIA?

You said,

NO matter its News or A Talk Show or a drama, GLAMOUR is every where..

ISNT IT A BAD INFLUENCE WHICH WE ADOPT FROM INDIAN MOVIES OR MEDIA??

To observe and to adopt, the basic necessity is to understand the language of visual shows presented by media and 70% of pakistan's citizen are not enough educated to understand english properly but then how our civilzation is getting change day by day?? HOW ?? See any indian movie or tv channel, you will get the answer!

By continuously watching star plus's ridiculous dramas, our new generation is thoroughly accepting such way of living in our every day life? yes ofcourse thanks to them

they help us to forget our moral values
they help us to forget our islamic traditions
they help us to learn new dancing steps
they guide us how to manage any date with opposite ***
they teach us how to get engage with any girl or boy before marriage
they teach us how to disobey our parents for the sake of love
they guide us how to convey romantic dialogues with each other!

You r right
they done a great job
really thanks to them!!!!

[mahamwaqar]

Originally Posted by AQN

Aa’n Haa’n .. tu just reply me these few questions;

1. WHO IS LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE?
I guess Parents, Teachers, Old Generation, Media, Government …every one is relying on the other person and handing over their responsibilities to the next one but still want that NOTHING SHOULD GO WRONG, rigth.

2. WHY PAKISTANI MOBILE COMPANIES OFFERING INDIAN SONGS’ TUNES AND ALL THAT.
Does India Forced them to do so or paying some money to th