[HULK]

Assalam alaikam

Every day comes and goes by, leaving the youth in further turmoil. If I compare today's TEEN with that of my days, I would place them a few steps further down the food chain, if we assume center being the pivot.

I invite my respected members here, to let us discuss and propose what our youth needs today.

If I personally am asked to comment on our youth, I would state as follows:

Our youth is deprived of every healthy activity and every opportunity to grow into a better person. Our youth is deprived to learn manners, and/or to implement them in public. and when I generalize, I do not mean to ignore those whom I am not referring to, because I am talking about majority, not the minority or the individual auspisciously blessed people or group of people.

Our government, our elders have given NOTHING to the youth and this is deteriorating day by day. Everytime I hear the words, "aaj ka no-jawan mulk ko kiya day raha hai?" and I simply get furious that who the heck thinks he or she has the right to say like that. Because before asking that, we need to inquire from ourselves, what is it that we are providing this youth to grow into a good human, a better muslim. And the answer would be, nothing.

I sympathize with our youth.

I feel that our youth may be held responsible for many things, but actually it is not the youth that is resposnible, it is the OLDER people who are. I consider our youth to be innocent of all the crimes they are accounted for. It is the OLDER people who are guilty.

If our youth is given proper opportunities to study as their aptitude is, they are given healthy sporting and leisure activities opportunities, their energies are given a positive direction, they are ploughed properly, then I can give a 100% guaranttee that this youth can prove Iqbal to be right when he said, "zara num ho to ye matti bari zerkhaiz hai saathi"

When I hear incidents where girls complain that boys are flirty, boys stare the females when they go out etc, I feel sad. Because everyone instead of curing the disease, accusses the patient. It is a wrongful approach and it would harvest further degeneration of the youth. the real step required to be taken are to salvage whatever is left of the youth today.


If anyone agrees with me, i would like to seek ideas that what should be done at individual level (because the government or the beaurocracy has failed our nation) that could contribute in helping to put an end to this deterioration of the ethical as well as human values of our youth.

Thank you:)

[AQN]

Waalikum Assalam …

Hmm YOUTH! If I would compare the current scenario with what we had in our days, then, yeah so many things got worse while in some way they are better.

Over all attitudes, manners and values have been down and I guess we can’t blame youth for this … actually 10 – 20 years back there was a problem little different … then there was a GAP in between parents and kids … so kids were more likely scared of them (specially with the father) so they never speak out even when they should … so is the case with parents … they used to think that there duties are just to provide them what they need (in physical terms) not much focused on emotional needs.

Then after some time society realized that this way they are going apart … so parents got bit friendly with them (kids) … but as always, we lost the Balance and now its quite a routine to argue with parents … to ask them Not to intrude in their (kids) matters … and so on. So as a consequence, these youth showing the same values out of their homes as well.

Today’s youth has great advantages right from flexibility from parent’s side to the facilities and opportunities available … so if all these would be taken positively, they can bring marvelous changes in the society which we badly need … but IF THEY WOULD DO SO and elders would guide and help them in doing so.

But what I think got better in this span is their aptitude towards religion …for example if we will look at the % of teens offering Prayers more regularly now, it must be higher than the one before 10-20 yrs. I hope so …

Over all I feel that still time is in our hand … so let’s make the most of it.

Hey Young Ones!

You people have great energy and powers which can bring the desired changes … you’re the master of time for now and if you would deal with it correctly, you’ll be the Master till end.

Wish you all good luck

[AQN]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

Assalam alaikam

Our youth is deprived of every healthy activity and every opportunity to grow into a better person. Our youth is deprived to learn manners, and/or to implement them in public. and when I generalize, I do not mean to ignore those whom I am not referring to, because I am talking about majority, not the minority or the individual auspisciously blessed people or group of people.

Our government, our elders have given NOTHING to the youth and this is deteriorating day by day. Everytime I hear the words, "aaj ka no-jawan mulk ko kiya day raha hai?" and I simply get furious that who the heck thinks he or she has the right to say like that. Because before asking that, we need to inquire from ourselves, what is it that we are providing this youth to grow into a good human, a better muslim. And the answer would be, nothing.


Thank you:)

Yeah Computers, Video Games, Mobile and all such facilities made them sitting IDLE at home ... they are much into the VIRTUAL world as compare to us ... there were hundreds of indoor and outdoor games which helped us a lot in socializing ... in developing the relationship with others ... in understanding others behavior and so many things and today's youth I guess haven't tasted that falvor which we had :) at least not the major ones.

Though such kind of thing is more about the early teens than adolescent but if we take all this as a base it would seem in relation. Like we had a lot to recall and rejuvenate us about our childhood while am pretty sure this youth must not have much ...

Again parents are responsible for this ... they want their kids console themselves with necessities-cum-luxuries they are providing to them rather than go out and get mixed up with general lot. Though its not the case over all but with higher %.

[AQN]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

Assalam alaikam


When I hear incidents where girls complain that boys are flirty, boys stare the females when they go out etc, I feel sad. Because everyone instead of curing the disease, accusses the patient. It is a wrongful approach and it would harvest further degeneration of the youth. the real step required to be taken are to salvage whatever is left of the youth today.


If anyone agrees with me, i would like to seek ideas that what should be done at individual level (because the government or the beaurocracy has failed our nation) that could contribute in helping to put an end to this deterioration of the ethical as well as human values of our youth.

Thank you:)

In this regard I would say that gals misused their freedom … so is the case with boys but they are not as vulnerable as gals so their limits are little farther than of gals.

I believe if boys are flirting with them… 80% they are responsible for it (excluding the exceptional cases) I myself a gal and I know my lines and limits clearly (which I set myself) so I know how to not to let others cross it. If a gal show rigidity, no boy can dare to cross the limit though most of them will try but can’t get success if that gal won’t show flexibility.

Please No body favor gal in what am saying here … I spent my 4 yrs in Karachi University … plus professional life experiences … plus this internet world … and it really sometime annoys me a lot when I see gals with such indecent attitude which doesn’t match with their femininity … and at the end of the day they claim that someone is flirting!!! … gals of this age are no more different from boys or CONSERVATIVE enough to know that even you can’t treat your best friend from opposite gender the same way you treat the one from same gender neither be treated this way.

Now come to the over all scenarios regarding those road-side Romeos … yeah this should be condemned … I just wonder what pleasure those boys get when they whistle to the gal passing-by … pass filthy comments … and whatever … this is a psychological sickness I would say and here parents should focus more that how to nurture their sons with a philosophy that WOMEN ARE TO BE RESPECTED no matter who they are … this will bring such a positive change right from the domestic to social level … and for their daughters, they must infuse this thought to them that being a human they are same and deserves same rights but not the same Opportunities and facilities … they are too vulnerable and too sensitive and things like that.

Gals! Please read it carefully … one can enjoy life even being in limits set for him/her by the culture and at least most of what’s set by the religion. This way we can get close to Islam somehow.

[HULK]

Subhan Allah sister. May Allah SWT bless you.

If I had said it all, i would have been critisized for it. Because I am a male and would hence be presumed that I am favoring my own gender.

Sister, today we witness television and media and my head bends with the weight of SHARAM that I feel by seeing my sisters and daughters on the media becoming a symbol for male lust and feast of the eyes.

My sisters, my daughters have ruined their sanctity. Their place is very high in the eyes of ALLAH SWT, but they have lowered it to the level of kuffar. I have seen so much of filth in pakistan during my stay that I dont know how I suvived. Betraying decieving their parents and everything and yet claiming to be muslims......

i am so much aggravated at the girls because of the fact that they have made themselves the focal point of the lust or the appreciation they get from the males. Both are wrong, the ones who see and the ones who are seen, but ALLAH SWT has said to have punish women on lurring men into looking.

Please make realize our sisters and daughters that the appreciation they see in the eyes of males are not what will salvage them from jahanum. It is their chastity and haya that will earn them the forgiveness of ALLAH SWT, and those who will use their womenhood to lur men, would only buy wrath of ALLAH SWT....

[AQN]

Aameen ....

I can understand your scenario ... even pplz stare at me when I say so and blame gals for most of the things.... I just hate them when they (gals) come out indecently ... and feel nothing when someone stare at with filth and so ... it's said that ALLAH blessed woman some special sense to feel and know that with which thought a man is looking at her ... and I get to know this very next moment ... and thought even then those gals do not feel shame of themselves .... I guess their sense has also been dead.

Besides, there must be chastity in their every action ... let me tell you u something ... just a little example .... when I was teaching, one day I found few gals were just running (college building was centrally build leaving some inside space from the boundary) madly and laughin’ … circling the building … I was just … u know! …stopped, scolded and asked them why they were behaving like kids??

They said, “Ma’am they (named few boys) are chasing us” and I was like, “WHAT ..what you mean Chasing us! Have You ppl given them such a freedom that they will come and catch you???”

And then those looked at me blankly ki what she’s is talking about rather than asking boys.
Anyways I always try to let the gal know their limits …baqi ALLAH help us all (Ameen)

Please ppl do not get me wrong I am not intending to hhigh light my virtues but tell what is possible even at this era and surrounding. There are so many gals like me or better than me.

[HULK]

sis, if someone gets you wrong on this, then i suspect some serious brain damage with that person.
because i can quote Quran and Hadith that how a female is supposed to behave and conceal herself behind the cutrains of chastity. There would not be a single sect in islam that would appreciate the way females have started behaving. tight clothing, tons of makeup, free relations among cross gender friends.......tell me sis, did it ever happen during our childhood that a girl had a male friend or a boy had a female friend? we were terrified to even talk with the girls, what to talk of other stuff......but today even on the cyber forums you would see an immense freedom.

and here comes the point. yes both boys and girls have forgotten the sanctity of each other's entity. Or rather should I say they didnt forget cause you cant forget something you are unfimiliar with.

I hold the parents and the education system responsible for this. but mostly the parents are responsible. I remember when our parents used to watch TV, they realized that now the kids are growing and they have interest in knowing what is in the TV. My parents disposed off the TV. The reason was that they had to be a role model and if they cant sacrifice, then they dont have the right to ask their children to abstain from it.

the point is, todays parents do not have to be so sacrificing, but at least teach the children what is right and what is wrong and should keep a check. I have seen that parents are extra confident that no matter where the society is headed, their children are exception. They always believe that, "parosi kke bacchey bigar gae hain, but ALLAH ka shuker hai ke hamarey bacchey theek hain" and it is not until its too late when they realize that their "off springs" have too strayed off the right path.

hcildren lie to their parents and parents are all, "baccha hai chalo koi bat nahin" and when I hear this, i bitterly warn such parents and at times I have seen this happening too.

I wish i had this power to force parents to stop their children from doing all this stuff.

[AQN]

Very right!! the reason parents get this much flexible with them is, as I said earlier, they want to be their kids' friends .... plus as this generation's motto Chidren too have THEIR LIVES and PRIVACY so u can't ask everything even being a parent .... you can't forbid them to not to do such thing ...huh!

but ONLY parents are not responsible .... even sometime kids cheat them and its miserable ... plus I think if one has grow enough mature to ask parents "don't tell me everything" then why not they think on their own .... my parents never need to ask us for such thing bcz we know the values (again the parent part I know that how they brought up ... but i meant theny never need to tell us ki there's a limits b/w gals n boys n so) .... we know it being a mature entity ... n i set my limits which are even within the line what my parents would set for me ....

Plus there r so many things which today's generation r doing unconsciously ... like how they talk with the opposite gender friends .. what they talk .... how they treat each other ... how they take each other ... etc etc

Now having Hi 5 and such gestures are so common amongst friends no matter who they are (same or opposite) .... so is the case with selection of words while talking ... one can be off the line when in the same lot but when dealing the other (opposite) then why don't they think that it can't be same.

Pplz call me conservative :) I say ok fine ... I'm and I need to be more and more. but ALHAMDOLILAH I always have good pplz around ... I mean I can call few (2-3) from opposite gender my friends but the way they talk with me ... the way I talk with them is all different from what's more common here. I mean to say even if someone is little open, but if you would be strict and be in limits, automatically the other person would deal you that way and respect you ... its nothing difficult or unpracticed.

[HULK]

well if following the true values prescribed by the religion is "conservativeness" then we should wear it as a badge of honor.

west and hindu culture is still crippling us, and the intensity has increased. we have our own culture, we have our own religion, we have our own values. We should not be bothered by what and how the west do and how they raise their kids and those parents or psychologist doctors who defend such approach should be outlawed........sis, this is another example of why we NEED to have shariah laws, cause then no one can bring in KUFFAR traditions ....

and probably this is the tact west kuffars have played to create this ambuigity and uncertainity and hatred towards harsh laws and shariah and that is hwo they are crippling us. so what is this freedom good to us if we are still mentally slaves? we might as well present our freedom on a silver tray to the kuffars and do as they tell us to.

[AQN]

IT IS A TACT ... they know how to deal ppl like us ... they are playing with our pshychology ... just like I said in my poem ...

"is baar bhi uski chaal wohi hey
bichhaya usney jaal wohi hey" ....

they are diverting our attention from FEELING THAT WE ARE SLAVE ... and they are successful so far ... and if we would behave same .... then where we would end up, I guess its no more difficult to imagine.

[Nadan]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

well if following the true values prescribed by the religion is "conservativeness" then we should wear it as a badge of honor.

west and hindu culture is still crippling us, and the intensity has increased. we have our own culture, we have our own religion, we have our own values. We should not be bothered by what and how the west do and how they raise their kids and those parents or psychologist doctors who defend such approach should be outlawed........sis, this is another example of why we NEED to have shariah laws, cause then no one can bring in KUFFAR traditions ....

and probably this is the tact west kuffars have played to create this ambuigity and uncertainity and hatred towards harsh laws and shariah and that is hwo they are crippling us. so what is this freedom good to us if we are still mentally slaves? we might as well present our freedom on a silver tray to the kuffars and do as they tell us to.

Well do u think is there any solution to this, i mean how we would tell our generation that the non Islamic culture is not good,
bcoz our media always trying to show western culture, or they mixing up east & west, that's wot they call modernism. and they killing our culture like this

so wots the solution.

[HULK]

in the given situation, instead of going for a macro level, go for the micro level.
it means that establish basic perimeters of islam within your homes. Teach the truth spirit of islam to your kids, do not provide them with western media. Provide them the knowledge about the world currently dwelling at and teach them to differentiate between right and wrong:)

Hum non muslim mumalik main reh ker bhi apni aulad ko ye sub de rahey hain, to kiya pakistan main reh ker bhi log islam ko follow nahin ker saktey? very strange.....

[AQN]

Pata hey reason kia hey ki jo log Non-Muslim countries mey rehtey hein wo zeyada Musalman kyun nazar aatey hein (forget those who have forgotten everything, just talking abt average one) bcz they would be more conscious about Islam ... while living in an Islamic (so-called) atmosphere make us like ... RELAX... LET IT BE ... ALL ARE SAME so NO WORRIES IF GETTING OUT OF TRACK ... and so on.

We take it for granted ... just like we take Being Mulim by Birth for granted ... Kalma padh liya ... Quran Shareef 2-3 baar mukammal padh k (bachpan mey) phir hifaazat sey rakh diya and occansionally Tilawat ker li ... is sey aagey jaanney ki khud zehmat ki na badoo'n ney socha ki Islamic history aur aur doosri taalimaat bhi terbiyat ka hissa hein ....

is k muqaabley mey agar aik Non-Muslim enters in Islam tu he/she study well and deeply about Islam ... knows the true of Islam and has much fear of Almighty Allah more than us (Muslims by birth) ... us key leyey phir ALLAH key ehkaamaat ki nafermani kerna bohat BADI BAAT hojaati hey.

[HULK]

Actually main yeh aik new topic shuru kerna chahta tha :)
ke "Why do we take faith for granted" :)

we are muslims by chance, since we were fortunately born among a muslim family from muslim parents. Hwoever, I believe, htose who are muslims by choice (reverted to islam) are the real role models for us. Because they have truly understood and follow islam, than us.

Beherhal, yahan per to hum youth ko kuch rasta dikhana chahtey hain. youth ko jo hum de nahin sakey hain, us ko point out kerkey wo deney ki rah per pehla kadam bun na chahtey hain:).

Aur ye kaam hum apni auladon se shuru kr saktey hain. :)

[AQN]

Exactly ... and this is what I have already done at some other plateform (Orkut-Zakir Naik's Community :) ages ago) and had debate over with some one ki is mey hamara koee kamal nahi ki if we born in a family who's Muslim from generation to generation ... who knows that how many of us (Khuda nakhawsta) would switch over to any other religion if given the choice.

khair ... abt youth! Hmm I guess even we shudn't wait for Our kids (to born) and grow enough older to understand things but once we get enough mature ourselves to understnad what's right and what's wrong, we should start passing it to others and letting them be on track ... right!

[HULK]

ofcourse sister that is true and that is what i am always doing specially on forums and then every where may it be on road, in my family anywhere:)

at times i got beaten up for trying to teach some hooligans not to make a fuss in making a QUE to buy tickets:).......imagine behna the condition of our nation.....if anyone tries to teach them or admonish them to do the right thing they not only make fun of the dude, but at times try to break his legs so that he shouldnt bother anyone in future:)

Mashallah what ethical standards our nation has these days:).

Acha to aap Dr Zakir Naik ki fan hain:).
Main aur meri wife strictly Dr Zakir ke lectures suntey hain aur jahan jahan ALLAH SWT humain tofeeq ata fermata hai hum implement bhi kertey hain:). I dont know how many communities for Dr Zakir Naik are there but my wife is an active participant in one of those:)

Waisey sister, mera jee kerta hai ke aap ki bhabhi se aap ka introduction kerwa doon:). kiyun ke aap ke aur hamarey thoughts bohat similar hain:)

[AQN]

Very true ... whethter its teaching road manner ... traffic rules or asking someone ki be on your lane ... or be good with our environment or keep the surrounding cleans like u can see they never think for a second before throwing any wrapper by the raod side ... beaches n parks ki tu MASHALLAH ... its all something weird to most of us .. even listening abt all these ... kerna tu durr ki baat.

Haerat hoti hey ki how on earth we can be like this ... imagine Paan ki peek elevator mey ... yaghh!! buildings k staircase ki tu hamey shayed aadat hogaee hey ... but elevator ... how long one stay there tht he need to do this ... we r totally ridiculous.

Arey MASHALLAH ... well I like him n watched his programme at Qtv at times but since long I am out of TV ... baqi as far as orkut is concern, yeah there r so many communities out there with Zakir Naik's title ... and really good to know abt ur wife ... I used to be active there as well but same case there ... when things get little slow n me got busy tu visiting orkut also got little low .... n now it's like once in a blue moon ... I created a community with the title "The NOble Qura'n" as well besides so many other community and the plan was ki with other members I'll keep those Ayah and Surah which are more about our daily life ... plus information about basic things and so on ... but even couldn't contnue tht :( .... its hard to attract ppl to such communities but there r so many members doing really greatttt in promoting Islam.

jee I think so as well ....wherever I read u I found u almost with the same approach as mine :) and it would be definitely a pleasure for me to have an introduction with my bhabhi :) even reading this pleased me a lot and dil ker raha hey thanks kernay ko ... lol

[ASQR]

It is so niceto see two people getting along. And that has been my point all along.

It will start with two people and than mushroom into millions.

[HULK]

@ASQR brother:
Daman e ummeed to main thamey huwa hoon mager
Ummeed kis se karoon, ye zara batla de mujhey :)

@AQN: well, behna, zara thori tabiyat sambhal jae to inshallah your bhabhi shall also be a part here:)

[AQN]

Aa'n haa'n @ASQR .... it is happening since ages ... ab tak tu kuch nahi huwa but kahir umeeed qaem hey isi leyey koshishein jaari hein ... but our point of argument was Reality Vs Idealism .... khair really good tht at least ur concerned.