[Mishkat]

[Mishkat]

[Mishkat]

aj ye baat wazah ho gae kay lal masjid operation me phosphorus bum use keye gae

[LOYAL]

Our people are so gullible they always get played into dirty tricks of the politicians ... and Geo TV is just good at making mountain out of a molehill, nowadays you say anything against Mushraff on TV and you would be a 'celebrity' overnight ...

Who is gonna buy all this... the retarded general Gulzar was unknown to millions and out of the blue he appeared on TV and has become a celebrity now ...

[ASQR]

WE are always talking about past and throwing mud at each other, we must stop it. and plan for the future by coming together and not segregation and blaming, who did what is not an intelligent thing to do as hind sit is 50/50

Let us pledge that from today we will not thing of ourselves, but Pakistan. And that we will consult each other in the time of trouble each other, trouble like what we went through regarding East Pakistan or Kargil etc.

Mya Allah S.W.T. help us see the truth.Ameen.

[HULK]

My fellow brothers and sisters

Mera khayal hai ke ub tuk aap sub ko andaza ho chuka hoga ke merey khayalat na to kisi politician ke saath hain aur na hi main musharraf ka hami hoon:). Main sirf justice aur sacchai ka saathi hoon:)

kiya aap sub ye baat mantey hain ke aap ka jo dost aap ke raz ki batain aap ke aur doston ko bataega wo trut worthy nahin hota? aap sub ki life mian bhi barha aisa huwa hoga yaqeenan aur meri life mian bhi aisa huwa hai ke aisey doston per phir hum aitebaar nahin kertey. Yahan per zindagi ye sabak deti hai ke aisey kisi insaan ki zabaan ka koi aitebaar nahin jo ke LOTA sabit hota ho aur sides badalta ho sirf apney mutlab ke liyeh.

Although it is quite possible ke ye retired general sahab such bol rahey hon, mager in ki baat merey nazdeek koi wazan nahin rakhti. Us ki wajah ye hai ke ager ye sub such hai, to ye hazrat aaj tuk kahan they? khamosh kiyun the? do wajoohat ho sakti hain in ki khamoshi ki.

1) Ya to ye apni job ki wajah se khamosh hoongey, ke ager zabaan kholi to in ki nokri aur sub kuch chala jaega

2) ya ye bhi anderooni tor per miley rahey aur aaj jub in ke mafadaat govt se takra gae to inhon ne govt ko black mail kerney ke liyeh kuch hakaek ko maskh ker key un ko aisey bayan kiya hai.

ooper bayan ki gai dono hi situation ke tehet ye shakhs merey liyeh kabil e aitebaar nahin. Is liyeh ke is ne in wajoohat ki bina per kom ko dhokey main to rakah hi hai, but aaj aisey apney mufaad ke tehet in sub baton ko namak mirach laga ke bayan kerkey apney ohdey, apni army apney watan se bhi ghaddari ki hai. because main bhi army main reh chuka hoon aur hamari oath hoti hai ke jo secrets hain we are supposed to protect them with our life. Ager in hazrat ne us waqt khamoshi ikhtiyar ki thi aur ub bol rahey hian, to meri nazer main in se bara jhoota mufaad parast aur LOTA koi aur nahin.

Hamari kom such much bohat masoom hai. leaders ki aur politicians ki phailai hui baton per aisey aankhain bund kerkey yaqeen ker letey hain jaisey in se bara saccha koi aur nahin. aisey main mera jee chahta hai ke poochon apni kom se ke kiya faida us taleem ka jis ko hasil kerkey bhi aap log apney zehnon ko apni akal ko istemaal nahin kertey ho? kiya faida? mujhey bohat afsos hai ke jis ka jub jee chahta hai humain bewaqoof bana ker chala jata hai aur hum bewaqoof bun jatey hain. Aik momin ki definition hai ke wo aik soraakh se baar baar nahin dasa jata, but hum bud-bakht log to wo hain jo musalsal ussi soraakh se dasey jaa rahey hian aur ankhain bund kerkey khud ko daswa rahey hain, dasney waley saanp badal gae but hamara wateera nahin badal raha.........

wo din kub aega jub main bhi apni kom main roshni ke asaar dekhoon ga? meri himmat aur hosla to bus ub jawab de chuka hai dosto.......jao pakistan main ne tumhari nai nasal ke haathon main sonpa.........

[LOYAL]

This moron got paid millions from Sharif i watched the whole damn interview ... he was speaking of Sharif so humbly and ridiculously was defending him it goes to show it was biased and Geo is just good at making people celebrity overnight .... Geo is back to its old bad habits and Yellow Journalism was exposed to the nation in this interview

[HULK]

well geo never left this.
geo or any other news channel.....no one has any integrity left anymore.

[Mishkat]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

My fellow brothers and sisters

Mera khayal hai ke ub tuk aap sub ko andaza ho chuka hoga ke merey khayalat na to kisi politician ke saath hain aur na hi main musharraf ka hami hoon:). Main sirf justice aur sacchai ka saathi hoon:)

kiya aap sub ye baat mantey hain ke aap ka jo dost aap ke raz ki batain aap ke aur doston ko bataega wo trut worthy nahin hota? aap sub ki life mian bhi barha aisa huwa hoga yaqeenan aur meri life mian bhi aisa huwa hai ke aisey doston per phir hum aitebaar nahin kertey. Yahan per zindagi ye sabak deti hai ke aisey kisi insaan ki zabaan ka koi aitebaar nahin jo ke LOTA sabit hota ho aur sides badalta ho sirf apney mutlab ke liyeh.

Although it is quite possible ke ye retired general sahab such bol rahey hon, mager in ki baat merey nazdeek koi wazan nahin rakhti. Us ki wajah ye hai ke ager ye sub such hai, to ye hazrat aaj tuk kahan they? khamosh kiyun the? do wajoohat ho sakti hain in ki khamoshi ki.

1) Ya to ye apni job ki wajah se khamosh hoongey, ke ager zabaan kholi to in ki nokri aur sub kuch chala jaega

2) ya ye bhi anderooni tor per miley rahey aur aaj jub in ke mafadaat govt se takra gae to inhon ne govt ko black mail kerney ke liyeh kuch hakaek ko maskh ker key un ko aisey bayan kiya hai.

ooper bayan ki gai dono hi situation ke tehet ye shakhs merey liyeh kabil e aitebaar nahin. Is liyeh ke is ne in wajoohat ki bina per kom ko dhokey main to rakah hi hai, but aaj aisey apney mufaad ke tehet in sub baton ko namak mirach laga ke bayan kerkey apney ohdey, apni army apney watan se bhi ghaddari ki hai. because main bhi army main reh chuka hoon aur hamari oath hoti hai ke jo secrets hain we are supposed to protect them with our life. Ager in hazrat ne us waqt khamoshi ikhtiyar ki thi aur ub bol rahey hian, to meri nazer main in se bara jhoota mufaad parast aur LOTA koi aur nahin.

Hamari kom such much bohat masoom hai. leaders ki aur politicians ki phailai hui baton per aisey aankhain bund kerkey yaqeen ker letey hain jaisey in se bara saccha koi aur nahin. aisey main mera jee chahta hai ke poochon apni kom se ke kiya faida us taleem ka jis ko hasil kerkey bhi aap log apney zehnon ko apni akal ko istemaal nahin kertey ho? kiya faida? mujhey bohat afsos hai ke jis ka jub jee chahta hai humain bewaqoof bana ker chala jata hai aur hum bewaqoof bun jatey hain. Aik momin ki definition hai ke wo aik soraakh se baar baar nahin dasa jata, but hum bud-bakht log to wo hain jo musalsal ussi soraakh se dasey jaa rahey hian aur ankhain bund kerkey khud ko daswa rahey hain, dasney waley saanp badal gae but hamara wateera nahin badal raha.........

wo din kub aega jub main bhi apni kom main roshni ke asaar dekhoon ga? meri himmat aur hosla to bus ub jawab de chuka hai dosto.......jao pakistan main ne tumhari nai nasal ke haathon main sonpa.........

Emblem99 sahab ap threads ko dobara read karleen to behtar hai...Dekheen Jamsheed Kiyani sahab ne jo baat ki hai us ka title hai inquiry...agar kiyani sirif dawa kar kay bool dete inquiry ki baat nahi kartay to phir un per shak karne ki gunjaish mojod thi..ab agar banda inquiry ki baat karr raha hai or doosri taraf se musharraf bhi Khamooshi ikhtiyaar keye huee hain to iska matlab yahi hai kay daal me kuch kala hai.. or inquiry zaroor honi chahiye...

2nd pont ... kay ye baat unhoo ne pehle kioon nahi batai to reson saaf zahir hai janab itne loog Gayab ho cukay hain jin ka kuch ata pata nahi aasman kha gaya ya zameen naigal gae... jamsheed sahab kay sath bhi yahi hona tha phir ye raaz hameesha raaz hi ban kar reh jata.
banda raaz osi waqt khoolta hai jab os ko ye yaqeen ho jata hai kay me safe hoon or meri baat doosroon tak asani se pohoch sakti hain..

Emblem99 sahab dunya ki har qoam masoom hi hoti hai...baat sari leadership ki hoti hai.. hamaray leader agar sincere hotay to kia baat thi likin ye leader hi salay 2 koori kay hain Law & Order per amal nahi hoota yahan

[HULK]

yaar pehli baat to ye hai ke ager nadeem bhai keh ker mukhatib karogey to mujhey acha lagega:)
kiyun ke emblem aur phir sahab............kafi ajnabiyat create kerta hai aisey bulana:) kiya khayal hai?:)

acha pehli baat to ye hai ke main ne thread poora perha hai aur ub wo is ko inquiry ka naam dain ya koi bhi naam dain the thing is ke kargil ka incident lug bhug 9 saal purana hai. to general sahab ki hubbul watani in 9 yrs main kiyun soi hui thi aur ub yuk lakht jub nawaz shareef wapis aaya hai aur he needs support to ub kiyun ye kiyani sahab aisey bayanat de rahey hain?:)

main to 2+2 ka hisaab ker raha hoon, waisye meri koi zaati perkhash nahin hai in sahab se:)

phir tum ne second baat ki ke kom masom hoti hai, baat sirf leadership ki hai, to chotey bhai mera yahan per aap se ikhtelaaf hai:). ikhtelaaf yoon hai ke leader kom se bahir se nahin aatey hain kom main se hi aatey hain. aur jo jurm aur ehtical crimes hotey hain wo bhi kom main se hi hotey hain is liyeh kom kisi bhi soorat main masoom nahin hoti hai. ye baat yaad rakhna:)

hamari kom main bhi is waqt personal level per corruption bohat ziada hai:) aur ye baat main ne baar ha doosrey thread per bhi kahi hai ub tum na mano to wo aik alag baat hai:). Main manta hoon ye corruptioon 60s main awami level per bohat kum thi, mujhey abhi bhi early 70s ka wo waqt yaad hai jub main ne pehli baar pindi sheher ya peshawer sheher dekha tha:). Aur aaj ka nazara kattan different hai:)

is main kai anasir karferma hain, abadi ka berhna bhi aik anser hai but basic anser ehsaas ki kaami, rather ehsas ki mot hai.

aaj bhi imaandar hain, main ye nahin kehta ke nahin hain, kiyun ke ager aisa hota to main bhi corrupt hota:). mager imaandar logon ki tadaad aatey main namak ke baraber hai.....aur jub baat majority ki ho, to minority automatically pis jati hai:).

tumhara tajerba, tumhara belief tumhain positive honey ki aur ahcye ki ummeed rakhney ka deras deta hai to zaroor rakho ummeed chotey bhai, we need youth liek yourself:). however aik derkhast ye bhi hai meri ke her us baat per jo tumhain koi leader ya us level ka koi banda kahey, us pr beleive mut kero ... make up ur own mind:). political duniya bari hi selfish aur be-zameer duniya hai aaj kul ki. probably ye issi liyeh hai ke hum ne mazhab ko talon main bbund ker diya hai aur sirf masajid ki hud tuk mehdood ker diya hai......hamari tanazzuli ki yehi buniyaad hai.....beta try to develop the skills of "reading between the lines" :)

meri dua hai ke nai nasal ko ehsaas wala dil miley aur wo us ehsaas ka bhurpur faida mulk ko pohanchayen aur is kali tareeki main doob na jayen jo hamarey her janib hai....ameen.

[Mishkat]

Emblem bhai apki ki os baat ka jawab me pehle hi de chuka hoon kay wo 9 saal tak chup kioon rahe
2sri baat insaan me corruption hona Insani Fitraat hai.....is fitraat ko control karne kay leye dunya me different Religion mojod hain .....in religions me sab se sahi or best relegion islam hai ..islam ne or dosre religions ne insaan ki fitraa ko qaboo karne kay leye different laws creat keye jin ko bohot sari countries ne apne mulk me apply kia... or insaan ki fitraat ko controol kar kay aj advanced countries ki fehrist me shamil huay....

baat ye nahi kay corruption personal hai ya General .ye to har insaan ki fitraat me mojod rehti hai..agar ham LAw & Order ko apply kar deen yahan to mera dawa hai kay within 5 years pakistan bohot sahi hoo sakta hai...problem sirf nafiz na karne ki waja se hai....

[ASQR]

Pakistani corruption song.

Pakistani Corruption Song

[HULK]

well fitrat main corruption hai is baat se main agree is liyeh nahin ker sakta ke ager hum is baat ko tasleem ker lain to it means ke ALLAH SWT ne (nauzobillah) aik im-perfect shay takhleeq ki hai.

Haan is baat ko aik aur angle se dekha jae to kisi hud tuk tum jo kehna chah rahey ho wo baat samajh main aati hai. ALLAH SWT ko ager sirf ibadat kerwani hoti to us ke liyeh farishtey kafi the. Faristey masoom hotey hain, is liyeh ke un ki apni will nahin hai. Jub ke ALLAH SWT ne insaan ko takhleeq kertey waqt us ko us ki "WILL" ya marzi ata ferma di aur saath main akal aur shaoor bhi diya ke khud ahcey aur burey ka faisla karey. Jis shay ko tum fitrat main corruption keh rahey ho main us ko insaan ki achai aur burai main tafreek kerney ki salahiyat ki kamzori keh lo ya ye keh lo ke will power main kamzori hai, ye kehta hoon. Humarey samney dono rastey hain, aur hum ye bhi jantey hin ke sacha rasta pareshani aur takleef wala hai aur bura rasta asaani aur rahat wala hai, hum ye bhi jantey hain ke achey rastey per chal ker hum duniya main mushkilain utha ker bhi akhirat main rahat payengey jo ke daemi hogi, aur ye bhi jantey hian ke 4 din ki rahatain hasil kerkey humain aakhirat main azab pana hoga......

aur ye sub kuch jaan ker hum jub koi action aur corruption kertey hain to wo hamarey issi will ke nateejey main aney wala result hoti hai. result aisey ke hum ne intekhaab ker liya hota hai ke humain temporary rahat leni hai ya daemi.

ager fitrat hi insaan ki buree hoti to phir acha insaan tumhain duniya main koi nazer na ata, but aaj bhi duniya main achey insaan hian koi shuk ki baat nahin hai:)

is liyeh fitrat per baat nahin dal saktey hain hum log. ye fitrat nahin hai. ye faisla hai. humain ye power di gai hai ke hum khud faisla karain is liyeh jo log burey hain main un ke saath na to hamdardi ker sakta hoon aur na hi unhain koi edge de sakta hoon. :) bus sirf itni si baat hai:)

[mujahid_ghazi]

JHOOT KA PARDA FAASH

mishkat !!!!
you dont even know what is white phosporous !!!

It was cleared in an interview with Rashid Qureshi on GEO TV news

[mujahid_ghazi]

Here is the link,

You and everyone having similar thinkings about WP must see this !!!!

YouTube - Core Commander betrayed President Pervez Musharraf

[Nadan]

Originally Posted by LOYAL

Our people are so gullible they always get played into dirty tricks of the politicians ... and Geo TV is just good at making mountain out of a molehill, nowadays you say anything against Mushraff on TV and you would be a 'celebrity' overnight ...

Who is gonna buy all this... the retarded general Gulzar was unknown to millions and out of the blue he appeared on TV and has become a celebrity now ...

Suppose u r right, But wot if this briefing becomes true by proofs?

u know wot Loyal u have to consult psychiatrist,

thousands of innocent child has been killed in lal masjid,
did u ever heard the word Death yess buddy death, those childs have been murdered.

would u like to be killed like this??
off course No ! Bcoz u love ur Mom ur father and u love ur life most of all.

Brother we dunno who gonna be the celebrity, But be realistic,
there are many things to get serious about them, u always try to make laugh at some serious points.

sorry*agr bura laga ho to* lekin mujhey tum pe bohat ghussa hai

[mujahid_ghazi]

Nadan,

How do you know that "thousands" were killed ?????

On the basis of doubt you can increase the number to 2000, or 3000, or you can go to even 4000 !!!!

One hadis says that anything said with the intention of a bad doubt is not true or a lie.

Have you counted the bodies, or any one counted them to give an authenticity ???

A hadis says: Insan ke jhoota honay ke liye itna kafi hai ke woh suni sunai baat aagay pohuncha day .

This is what LOYAL said that people are gullible and are easily decieved.

[ASQR]

Mujahiid Bhai and Brother Emblem.

I read both of your post and am distressed.One thing for sure is that both of you, it seems have passionate love for Pakistan, and that is fantastic, in the zeal sometimes one forgets the facts which is O.K. but in the case of any deaths, we should be carefull lest we over state.

As our Holy book say" Killing one human is like killing the whole humanity." so we must not let our passions get the best of us.

Having said that I would say as I have said before that there was no reason for any one to keep weapons in a mosque, and there was no reason for a Imam of a mosque to take land belonging to some else and make a mosque unless the land is donated for the mosque.

It is also not right to single out one Lady and blame that she is running a prostitution house, only the Govt. of the day can do it under the Rule of the law of the land. So what Imam should have done is communicate with Govt. asking,recommending, sugesting islamic rule, prohibitions and allowances that needed to be applied, never he or anyone else should take law in their own hands.

TV interviews regarding matters of interest in Pakistan must be taken with a grain of salt, meaning, look at the circustances and deduct the facts and based on those facts learn the truth. Your intiution is better than interview by somenoe else.

I have seen a trend in Pakistan that poeple have their own agenda and in an interview they talk with their agenda and or some grudges they have had, this is true in every country even in America.

It is upto us to listen and deduct the truth, like in the case of attack on Lal masjid, Govt should have surrounded it and not entered it just surround it and control the flow of all food, communications and people. How long would People have lived, they would have left peacefully, on the other hand Mosque inhabitants should have not used weapons against their own Army. This could have been a win win situation for all.

We as Pakistani must rise above personal gains and greeds to make our country great, if we donot do this who will suffer, we and our comming generations and our generation will blame us for failing to understand the compexities of the wolrd and solve it for them.

So friends let pledge today to come together as Pakistanis and put Pakistan over and above all of our selfish needs, wants and deisres.

May Allah S.W.T. help us see the light. Ameen.

Hum Aik Hain by Shehzad Roy

[HULK]

sub se pehley to main MUJAHID GHAZI ki post se agree kerna chahoonga:).

ASQR bro, i was practically there in islamabad, approx 2 kms from the site.....police had barriers and no one was allowed to go any further. I had a small tv set in my hand and was watching the news closely......

jis kisam ki batain ye jazbati log ker rahey hain, waisa kuch main ne to nahin dekha.
us masjid main sirf wo log marey gae jinhon ne fauj per goli chalai. ub aap mujhey ye batayen ke aap kis cheez ko justify karogey? hakoomat ko ya jamiya hafsa ko? kiyun ke dono hi ghalat hain aur dono ne hi goliyan chala ker logon ko mara.....

main to sirf yehi keh raha hoon. main ne kisi ki terafdaari nahin ki aur na hi kisi ke goli chalaney ko berhaq kaha hai:).

[ASQR]

emblem Bro. I would agree that no one should take Law in their hands, it is wrong every which way.

But Govt should be smart enough to know that a troulbe is brewing in a mosque and take steps neccessary to nib it in the bud in its early stages and not wait so long that a small trouble becomes a catastophe.

Still no one should hoard weapons in MOsque and no one should fire at Army and no one should take Law in their own hands. This also stands for all the politicains and Lawyers and other influetial people of Pakistan.