[Style Mantra]

[AQN]

yeah ... there are so many example like this ....

Nice sharing asjad

[Style Mantra]

thnx a lot :)

[Mishkat]

i agreed 100%

Jab tak Pervez Musharraf jese Fitna loog Govt. me mojod rahe gay ..os waqt tak islam or pakistan ko Nuqsaan se koi nahi bachaa saktaa

Bhai sab se Barii Jarr ye President hai... ye wohi shaks hai jis ne logo ko gayab kia hua hai ...or bohot saray pakistanies ko 25000$ me amrica ko Sale kia

[Mishkat]

Yaar Ye baat Samaj nahi Aati kay Lal Masjid me Hazaroon Students ko shaheed kar kay bhi pervez musharraf Fakhar Mehsoos KArta hai or un Army waloon ko Khiraaj-e-Tehseen Pesh KArta hai...Afsooos ki baat hai....

[Arain.faizan]

May Allah Rest their soul in Peace!

[AQN]

baat sirf Pervez Musharraf ya kisi aik shakhs ki nahi ... sab hi taqreeban aisey hein .... apney faedey k aagey sab jaez hey unkey leyey.

[HULK]

well is mamley main meri rae kisi hud tuk jamiya hafsa ke khilaf hai.

i would like to ask you all, how many of you have practically lived in islamabad and have witnessed that incident?

I was in pakistan back then and the sort of fire arms and weopenry that was found in jamiya is out of the question.

The jamiya is supposed to teach the kids about islam and the true spirit of it, but they were preparing jihadis who can kill indisciminately poor rich and old young....

this is something that I could never agree with. I dont agree with the existance of musharraf or any other politician....but i dont condole with the deaths of so called saheeds who have so wrongly interpretted islam and have wrongly taught the the young brains.,......

Ofcourse there could have been another way to resolve this all, but the management of lal masjid really deserved this.

[Mishkat]

Originally Posted by Emblem99

well is mamley main meri rae kisi hud tuk jamiya hafsa ke khilaf hai.

i would like to ask you all, how many of you have practically lived in islamabad and have witnessed that incident?

I was in pakistan back then and the sort of fire arms and weopenry that was found in jamiya is out of the question.

The jamiya is supposed to teach the kids about islam and the true spirit of it, but they were preparing jihadis who can kill indisciminately poor rich and old young....

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plz prove deen is baat kaa jo ap ne kaheen hain about jamia hafsa?

Ghazi Sahab ne to pehle hi keh dia tha kay hame shaheed karne kay baad ye loog pata nahi kon konse weapon yaha lakar rakh deengay...

[Mishkat]

[AQN]

Well I couldn't go with the length of the entire post of Mishkat ... but what made me to reply again here is Emblem99 approach...

am agree with you Emblem99 again ...n this is what I wanted to highlight at the other thread with ASQR but could cover it due to shortage of time ...

Well everyone knows ki "Gehu'n k saath ghun bhi pista hey" ...same is the case with every such acts ... so am not talking about (neither Emblem if am right) those innocent students who have nothing to do with all that ... but about the leaders there ... students who were right hand for them ...

Jameya Hafsa was not a pure Islamic learning Institute ... there were some kind of terrorist acts also being nurturing … they were not producing students but activist as well … n it was crystal cleared … the way they fight with military and government armed forces … they way they surrendered at the end because then it was the question of their own lives and everything.
No body (Moulana Abdul Aziz, Moulana Ghazi and family) was sincere enough with those students who fought and died for it … how anybody would justify their act … one was caught while escaping … one got ready to negotiate after losing all his safety line and so on.

Am not with the government and its strategy they used to dealt with and tackled that issue but I can’t accept anyone saying that all those died fighting with the armed forces were innocent and martyr and Jameya was a pure educational institute.

[AQN]

Originally Posted by Mishkat

plz prove deen is baat kaa jo ap ne kaheen hain about jamia hafsa?

Ghazi Sahab ne to pehle hi keh dia tha kay hame shaheed karne kay baad ye loog pata nahi kon konse weapon yaha lakar rakh deengay...

Chanda her baat k leyey proof managney ya dhhondney ki zaroorat nahi rehti ... kuch cheezein apna saboot khud paesh ker deti hein and yahi kuch Jameya Hafsa k kerta dhertaaoo'n ney kia tha us din ...

No doubt ki govenrment ney bhi kuch hanky-panky ki hogee baad mey but sab kuch live awaam k saamney tha shoroaat sey hi ...
1. Danda berdaar Talibaat ka Library pey qabza!!! ... Sahi ya Ghalat

2. Talibaat ko sadkoo'n pey lana aur khud tamam action control kerna chhup k ... and phir qanoon ki paasdaari na kernay pey laathi charge ya jo bhi huwa (reminding am not agreed with the act) usko issue bana k sab ko govt k khilaaf kerna per us waqt unhey khawateen ki hurmat ka paas nahi tha jab unhey sadkoo'n pey la k khada kia tha!!! .... Sahi ya Ghalat

3. jab baat itney bohat sey talib eelmoo'n ki jaano ki aagaee thi tu muzakraat kyun nahi keyey hakomat ya un doosrey tamam logo'n sey jo aisa chah rahey they ... un maa'soon ki zindagi piyaari thi tu unhey kyun Jameya mey (qaed) rakha!!! .... Sahi ya Ghalat

4. aik taaleemi eedara jis k baarey mey wo keh rahein hoo'n ki wahan aisa kuch nahi ... almost 2-3 din tak fully equipped armed forces sey lada ... kis cheez k bal bootey per agar koee hatyaar pehlay sey wahan maujood nahi tha!!! .... Sahi ya Ghalat

5. aur sab sey badi baat agar waqee wo sab Islam k naam pey kiya ja raha tha (aghwa sey ley ker do-ba-do ladaee) tu phir apni Jaan kyun nahi dee sab sey pehlay!!! .... Sahi ya Ghalat

Mishkat hakomat ghalat hey per zaroori nahi ki ju kuch baatoo'n ko ley ker ghalat ho uska her amal hi ghalat hoga ... ya jo hamey achcha na lagey uskey hawaley sey kabhi neutral hokey na sochein ... well main yahan hakoomat ko bilkul bhi defend nahi ker rahi but aik thrid person k hawaley sey us tamam surathaal ka jaeza bata rahi hoon ... don't get me wrong that I don't want to be the extreme Muslim ... I wish I be

May ALLAH bless and guide us all ... Aameen

[HULK]

AQN sister, thank you for conferring with my opinion :)

Brother Miskat, as sister here said that asking for proof and saying that "ghazi sahab said after his shahadat people would fine fire arms" is typically who has been brain washed would say :)

OK, lets say that I am wrong, everyone is wrong and so is the govt. Tell me one thing, who gave GHAZI sahab the right to cause mutiny against the govt? Isnt it said clearly that you have to give your allegiance with the hakim e waqt for everything?:) I remember ASQR was saying that killing is not the answer, but suddenly when anyone of your camp is killed then killing becomes a wrong approach?:)

I said above that the govt did take wrong approach to apprehend the criminals, however I am not going to stand by their side cause these are the key people who are the cause for these suicide attacks. This is not their job, and if a call for jihad is to be alled upon, it is the job of IMAM e KABA to do so. What authroity does that ghazi possessed? What position does he hold in mushtahid people? Was he a representator of IMAM e KaBA? If you are a muslim then my brother please trust me when I say that only the highest of the clergy are authorised to give out fatwa for jihad and even if they do so, no one will say to kill women and children. When did islam allow killing of women and children? When did islam allow you to establish your 1 and a half brick masjid aside? This is all against the religion we boast to belong to and is totally the fault of so-called molanas who r nothing but a menace to the society may it be muslim or general.

Merey achey bhai, meri khahish hai ke tamam muslims, tamaam pakistani apni aankhain kholain, apni soch ko pukhta karain, apney mazhab ke barey main perhain, QURAN aur SUNNAH ka mutalia karani. Kiyun ke islamic political system main aik commonor ko koi kaam nahin hai politicis main. Is liyeh hum aur aap kiyun apni energies berbaad kerain is baat per ke konsa leader theek hai ke nahin? ye kaam un mushtahid logon ka hai jin ko namzud kiya jana chahiyeh hai, but afsos ki baat to yehi hai ke hamarey log hi hamarey mulk main islamic shariah nafiz nahin honey detey...........

[HULK]

Originally Posted by AQN

Well I couldn't go with the length of the entire post of Mishkat ... but what made me to reply again here is Emblem99 approach...

am agree with you Emblem99 again ...n this is what I wanted to highlight at the other thread with ASQR but could cover it due to shortage of time ...

Well everyone knows ki "Gehu'n k saath ghun bhi pista hey" ...same is the case with every such acts ... so am not talking about (neither Emblem if am right) those innocent students who have nothing to do with all that ... but about the leaders there ... students who were right hand for them ...

Jameya Hafsa was not a pure Islamic learning Institute ... there were some kind of terrorist acts also being nurturing … they were not producing students but activist as well … n it was crystal cleared … the way they fight with military and government armed forces … they way they surrendered at the end because then it was the question of their own lives and everything.
No body (Moulana Abdul Aziz, Moulana Ghazi and family) was sincere enough with those students who fought and died for it … how anybody would justify their act … one was caught while escaping … one got ready to negotiate after losing all his safety line and so on.

Am not with the government and its strategy they used to dealt with and tackled that issue but I can’t accept anyone saying that all those died fighting with the armed forces were innocent and martyr and Jameya was a pure educational institute.

Jazak Allah sister, yes you are right i am not justifying the killing of those adolescent youth who were not at fault. I am cursing the hands that were behind and who put weapons in the hands of those innocent kids. It is a pity that such people like ghazi and even qazi husaain ahmed, or others who preach about jihad but their own families are settled peacefully in some western country and are safe .... how dare they send innocent youth in jihad but save their families? this is hypocricy and Islam doesnt teach that.

[AQN]

Don't thanks me bro (Emblem) ... even am not justifying you anywhere but saying what I believe is Right and just helping few to understand and take things in a more neutral way since every one says what he/she thinks is Right ...

let me tell you all that People in this country cash everything for their benefits no matter even if it's Islam ... and this is where the shoe pinches .... just forget what they are saying but observe is there any synchronization in their words and deeds?? If not, then, should they claim to be the perfect Muslim? Just ask yourself and get the answer of things which is clearly written in Holy Quran and said by our Beloved Prophet (P.B.U.H) ... then you don't need anything else ... anyone else to listen or not to listen .... no confusion at all.

I am not a very religious person unfortunately (May ALLAH bless me to be ...Aameen) but I thank GOD that at least I know what is my source to judge things (both religious and non-religious) because Quran is a code of life ... we don't need different Moulanas with their MODIFIED Islam (Na'azobillah) but the SENSIBILITY to analyze things and capability to read Mind Games of such people.

You know how they play with the psychology!! ... they knew that since it's all about ISLAM so innocent people will favor them with blind eyes and deaf ears because they believe if they would say anything against to such people ALLAH will get angry with them .... this is the KEY motivation of suicide bombing and working greatly for such RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.

I 'm surprized how come people think this way while there's o complication in understanding what Islam says about this.

so people pleaseeee do not follow others with a set approach and closed mind ...

ALLAH says, "AFALA YATADABBAROONAL QURAN" .... "aur tum Quran per Ghour kyun nahi kertey".

(anyone please correct me and I'll correct back as well ...that if its "aur WO ..." rather than "aur TUM ..."

[Neo]

itni lambi lambi posts hogaye yeha par or mujhey pata hi nahi chala ..


koi menu vi dasay k idhar kya ho raha hay.. or kyo ho raha hay.. mainay bhi ungali kata kar shahedoo may naam likhana hay

[Mishkat]

Well kisi bhi problems ko Solve karne se pehle agar uski Reason Ko search kia jae to behtar hai 2005 me jamia Hafsa Walay Sarkoon per kionn nahi aee 2007 me kioon aee koi to reason hoga naa bhai

2007 se pehle koi janta tak nahi tha kay jamia hafsa kahan hai..ye ekdum se esa kioon hua..u should know.

apko pata hai kay problem start kahan se hui thi???????


1. World me ese kae Universities hain jahan kay Students ne apanay mutalbaat manwanay kay leye Govt. kay Edaroon per Qbza kia..Do u Know..Karachi university me Kia hoo raha hai.Jinnah Govt. collage per kis Tanzeem ka qabza hai ..kia apko pata hai....Islamia Arts & Commerce Collage.... me ap Jamiat ki ijazat kay bager koi Activity kar kay dikha deen.....Karachi Urdu science collage me sirf 2 Tanzeemoon ka Qabza hai ap unki ijazat kay Bageer wahan Qadam nahi rakh saktay...

2. agar Karachi Press Club per kisi bhi maslay ko le kar agar Khuwateen Ehtijaj karti hain to apko problem kioon nahi hooti abhi kuch din pehle hi MQM (Muttehda) or MQM Haqeeqi ki khuwateen kay between karachi press club me jo kuch hua os per kionn khamosh hain sab wo bhi to sarkoon per Ehtijaj tha
...Problem sirf jamia hafsa ki Taalbaat se kioon hoti hai??

3... Shayad apko pata nahi kay muzaakraat kamyaab ho chukay thay or jab os muzaakraat kay papers Musharraf ko manzoori kay leye bhijwaee gae to sadar ne inkaar kar dia tha...Plz BBc news..Geo News me khaber aa chuki hai
ap maloom kar saktay hain..

4.. is baat ka jawab dhoondhnay kay leye ap Karachi me jitne collages hain wahan ki seer kareen or wahan jitne Equipments apko nazar aeen unka mawazna ap jamia Hafsa kay equipments se kar leye gaa..apkay
sawal ka jawab apko khud hi mil jae ga

5.. bhai De to di jaan Mother ko bhi shaheed kia khud bhi shaheed huee unkay Relatives shaheed huee or kis ki jaan mang rahe hain app

[Mishkat]

Agar Quran per Gooro fikar karne lagay to kia hi baat hai..likin hamaray Arbab-e-Ihktiaar Amreca waloon per bht gooro-fikar kartay hain.. jabhi to ye haal hai pakistan ka

[HULK]

tumharey jazbey ki kader kertey huwey mukhlisana mashwara deta hoon ke is energy ko musbat direction main le ker jana, manfi nahin:)....Jeetey raho.

main ne kuch examples di hain wo mix ho rahi hain. ao in ko discuss kertey hain :)

Tum ne poocha ke 2005 main jamiya hafsa ke tulba kiyun nahin roads per ae the aur 2007 main kiyun aae the:). Well, i think ke is ka reason tumhain bhi pata hoga:). 2007 main ager tum pakistan main, islamabad main they to you would know ke jamiya hafsa ki history kiya hai? is ko itni importance de ker is level per laya kon tha?:). Beta, ye aap ke mulk ki army aur musharraf responsbile hain is kaam ke liyeh:). But is madarsey ki management is liyeh zimmadar hai ke wo is fareb main ae hi kiyun?:)

aap ne duniya ke students ki baat ki, mera sawal hai ke ye kiya aik aam taleemi idara tha? ya aik madrisa tha? arey is madersey ko to aik ideal islamic mahol aur taleem deni chahiyeh thi is ka comparison aam educational idaron se hum kaisey ker saktey hain? ager aisey maderson main bhi islamic education, islamic system of govt, islamic democracy aur islamic way of spending your life na sikhaya jae to phir kiya kerna hai hum ne aisey maderson ka ke jin main sirf jihadi terbiyat paa rahey hain?:)

aik baat to batao, madersa kiyun establish hota hai? kiyun ke ager us main islmic education ke ilawa kuch aur hona hai to phir aisey madersey ki buniyad perni hi nahin chahiye hai. aap ki ittelah ke liyeh arz hai ke main isalmabad se hoon aur ye sara incident main ne apni ankhon ke samney hota huwa dekha hai. i am not at liberty to provide you the proofs ..... is liyeh ke phir merey few friends jo ISI main hain wo problem main aa saktey hian:). mager itna samajh lo merey achey bhai ke mera tajerba aur umer dono tum se ziada hain. aur main hawai fire kerney ka kattan kayel nahin:)

bus ub is se ziada behes kerkey main apna aur tumhara waqt zaya nahin kerna chahta:). mera maksad aik achi baat ko sikhana hai, tumhain Khudanakhasta ghalat sabit kerna nahin hai:). is liyeh ager kuch seekh sakho, samajh sako to main apni khush kismati samjhoon ga, werna saber keroonga jaisey ke aaj tuk kerta aya hoon:)

khush raho.

[Mishkat]

Bhai beshak apka tajurba mujse zada hooga umer bhi zada hoogi likin Haqeeqat ko koi nahi jhutlaa sakta Kitabi bateen karne ki muje bhi koi adat nahi.

me 1 baar phir kahoonga kay kisi bhi problem ko solve karne se pehle uska reason search karna zaroori hai ..sahi ya galat?
agar koi gun ko apanay samnay rakh kar namza parh raha hai to kia wo galat karr raha hai??bhai Use karne ki baat hai kay kon kis taran use karta hai..
jamia hafsa waloon ne wese kitne admi qatal keye hai ye to bata deen??

ap kia samajtay hain kay islam sirf masjid or madarsoon kay leye hai??iskay elawa islam kia kaheen bhi apply nahi ho sakta?? agar koi islam per amal karr raha hai to kia wo Farishta hai jo galti nahi kar sakta

Islam me Politics nahi hooti kia ..islam me Kia koi laws nahi hotay????
Islam me laws bhi hain banking bhi hai namaz, hajj ,jihad rooza ..Deen-o Dunya dono sab kuch hai mere bhai

Islamabad me rehte hoo or Ap ye to bata nahi sakay kay Problem Start honey ki waja kia thi


2007 se pehle agar apko maloom hoo kay wahan esa kuch nahi tha Behtreen Education System tha Islmabad ka sab se bara Edara tha ye jahan Hajj karne ki tarbiaat di jati thi ..agar pata hoo apko Pakistan me anay walay Zalzala se mutasir honay wlaya Areas Kashimir, Balakot..Bagh, Mansehra kay bohot saray students jin kay Schools or Collages Tabah ho gae thay wo yahan Aa gae thay or taleem hasil karr rahe thay or unki Rahaiishh bhi yahi thi..
Islamabd me Becon House school hai wahan kay students bhi yahan Taleem hasil kartay thay ..ye bateen muje yahan karachi me rehte huee pata hain
AP islamabad me rehte hain or apko pata nahi Heerat ki baat hai ..bhai is se bara masali Edara or kia hooga
me bhi gaya hoon jamia hafsa jummay ki namza kay leye meri sis. ne wahan se hajj ki tarbiat li thi jab wo haj karne jaa rahi thin

mene wahan kay Area kay logoo kay interviews BBC per sune hain ..jamia hafsa kesa tha un logoon ne khud interview me bataya hai..