[MirzaKamran]

Okay so tell us why YOU love Pakistan and try to be creative and don'tt post the same stuff as other people like "oh lolx i love the food and the kapray and etc....


Let Me Start :
-i love the thezeeb
-Pakistani people are beautiful
-Diversity
-Culture
-Music
-Talented people
-Intelligent people
love everything about it
-Great sense of humor

[Style Mantra]

I love Pakistan bcaz of its sohni sohni kuriyaan

[MirzaKamran]

Originally Posted by asjad_pisces

I love Pakistan bcaz of its sohni sohni kuriyaan

lolz hmmm god yar
thanks asjad can u move my thread IN GD

[ASQR]

I love Pakistan cause of its vallys, mountains brave people, and excellent Armed forces.

[HULK]

hmmm.......................I cant say that I love Pakistan.
Infact, I hate it. Read between the lines.

[NonSense]

I love pakistan cause yahan azan k wakt sab masjidoon se azan ki awaz aati hai tu ehsas hota hai ke hum aik azad islami mumlikat main rehte hain ... [ye baat wo feel bohat achi tarhan kr sakte hain jin k lie ye sab new ho]

[Aisha Khan]

I love pakistan coz yahan abhe rishton ka taqdus aur sachi chahtain pai Jati hain.

[ASQR]

Nadeem PJ I hope to humbly say this that it is not land of Pakistan and it is not most people of Pakistan as they are working class trying yo survive, it those in power who always reflect as if the are selfish, uncaring and far from Islam, the DEEN that made us choose Pakistan.
so brother people like u and me should join hands and do something about those who are bent on destroy our beloved land.

Let us all pray for the better Pakistan and its leaders May allah S.W.T. help our Leaders to be true Muslims. Ameen.

REMEMBER.

It is not what Pakistan can do for you
It is what you can do for Pakistan.

[HULK]

Respected ASQR :), Assalam alaikam :)

I shall refer to you as brother because we are brothers as per our religion.

The noble things you have said, are quite commendable.
As I mentioned in my post as well, to "read between the lines" :). It is my experience that whenever I say something like that, as you reacted, is the kind of reaction I get all the time:).

I talk from experience. It is true that rich, influential people who have not seen poverty or who have not been decieved by their own kin would have noble things to say about this country which was established in the name of ISLAM. My respected brother, please tell me where is ISLAM in Pakistan?:)

Do we have shariah laws? Do we have Islamic criminal laws? Do we have an environment where we can practise our religion without the fear of being persecuted? :) I am talking about the killings brought upon the Shia community. Dont we have our relgiion divided into 72 sects? Are we practising islam according to our Holy Prophet SAW's sunnah? Is the rich and the poor treated alike? Is the law same for both the rich and the poor? Hasnt "akraba perwari" proliferated our society? Hasnt pride crept into our minds if ALLAH SWT has blessed us with His blessings? Arent we continously busy in legg pulling? Isnt jealousy our middle name? and the list goes on for eternity........

Then please tell me where is ISLAM in this country? :)

I know what you are saying, you really believe in it, but brother please say all these things when you are married, have a family to protect and provide, a job to find, no influential relative or rich parents to back you up and all you have is your own self to reply on in Pakistan. When you have spent 10 yrs with this situation with nothing mentioned above, then if still you can say all this, my brother trust me, I shall be the first one to make my "bait" upon your hands :)

I know it is not the relevant category, but Brother let me share my poem with you that I wrote for Pakistan. :)

Dafan ker do mujhey pholoon ki surkh chaader main
Qatal huwa main sir e aam apney hi ghar main

Merey watan ki is fiza main serd aahain hain
Kuchal gaya mera zameer aisi bhugdar main

Merey duwaar, her gaam ik siyahi hai
Bhatak gai hai meri rooh aisey jungle main

Khaber na ho saki thi tub ye merey Quaid ko
Miley ga baad-e-marg naam us ka mitti main

Muqeed dhan ki chakachond main yoon ho gaya
Main doobta gaya laluch ke issi sagar main

Seher wo aegi, insaan jis pe naaz karey
Yaqeen ye le gaya Ehsaas ko bhi turbat main

Dil-e-imaan ki ghurbat se taar taar logo !
Wo waqt jo beet gaya, beet gayah zillat main

Jazak Allah brothers and sisters for your time to have read my lengthy post:)
Allah Nigehbaan

[ASQR]

Nadeem JP

I will call you my brother as well, Firstly Let me say this that you are right, but let me also tell you that In Islam it is told to us to do thing that are in you control and pray for those that are not. If face a adversary that you cannot fight, Islam says to you to say it in your heart that Oh Allah I cannot fight this enemy and I am not capable of it, you are the master of this universe and leave it you to take care of this.

I am of the same opinion as you about shia and Suni, In my humble opinion this problem has been with Muslims for 1000 years and why have it not solve by all those greats of Islam, Greats like Imams, saints and all Mullahs, it part of their duties to come and sit till this separation of Muslim is solved and they should not leave the place where it is being held till this problem is solved. We hae one book, one Deen and Umma than why?

About your question about having a family or not. Brother we as Muslim must act on the sunna set by our Great Prophet P.B.U.H. and that is true in every condition be it rich or poor. Let me tell you this that all our Greats were poor people, so the great came from poor families and they still can if we kept our traditions like they did and not fall into the trap of worldly thing and have our eyes be dazzled by its glitter, cause every glittering thing is not gold, some time it could by mirage.

So brother keep up with truth, honesty decency and act on the Muslim rules and be pious and gentle. Insha Allah, Allah will look after you as we know that he is all knowing and will never abandon any of his creations.

May Allah s.W.T help us all to the see the truth and help us see the light. Ameen.

[AQN]

First of all let me reply the question asked here ... then hopefully I will say few words in regard to NadeemJP and ASQR ...

I love Pakistan because its my land ... its my home apart from the fact what it has ... what it doesn't.

Take an example ..... A is not a wealthy person ... don't have luxuries of life ... not a comfortable bed to sleep well ... not airconditioned room to defeat unbearable hot season ... and so on.

Some day goes to B's place where all these luxuries are available ... have no problem in living there from B ... but you know still after a span of time, he feels like going back his own home no matter what are the problems there.

This is his love for his home ... so is the case with me and my love to Pakistan.

[AQN]

Now come to the other part ... though I don't want to be stuck with any specific issue but in general.

I am as bitter as NadeemJP in this regard … because I love this country so I am concerned with it (which normally taken otherwise) I can’t let things go this way or stay silent what is happening in this part of the world since ages …

I have posted even so many topics and poems as well regarding this but let me ask few things here again …

Do we behave like a nation? (Don’t intimate the very exceptional scenario)
Are we good people?
Is this look like an Islamic Country? We are blessed that we can hear Aazaan 5 times a day but where you noticed that our daily life stuff stop then? Wearing Shalwar Kameez in general is not the sign of a Islamic country.

We have been failed so far to prove us as a good human and good citizen which means we are not even eligible to claim that we are good Muslim.

People over all attitude, respect of rules and laws, mannerism, ethics … all these are getting worse (with insignificant positive changes in the society over all).

Khair there’s a lot of thing to talk about but I need to cut it short … and to summarize it I would just say that we can’t ignore our lacking … we can’t just avoid it.

You know to make something better, we have to find out what were the negative points … make ourselves aware of it … and for Pakistan every one is very well aware of the fact … some accept … some avoid … some don’t bother to think even.

We have to and should count our negative points so that we can amend ourselves and make Pakistan the best one automatically.

May ALLAH bless us strength to fight with our problems and weaknesses ... Aameen Summa Aameen.

[ASQR]

SIS AQN. We live in a world that has different kinds, beliefs and non believers living in it, they have been here and will be here till the day of judgment. and on that day Allah S.W.T. will judge them.

Till that time we have to act upon our faith and it say that if your enemy is stronger and you cannot fight him than say "ASTAGHFARULA" and say that may Allah S.W.T. take care of it as I cannot. We should also try to come together as one people and not harm each other no matter what. When we harm each other it pleases our enemies and we should understand that. In any situation we should negotiate with each other even if it takes days, months and years.

If some one asks us that we are harboring a criminal who attacked them, we should ask for proof and if they don't provide ironclad proof and if they still don't provide it, we should take the problem to International court, but make sure that international court is what it say international court meaning it has Judges from Islamic, Chinese, Asian and African Judges on it.

It is our belief that we do things according ti Sunna and leave the rest to Allah S.W.T. those that we are not capable or able to do.

It is our misfortune that we have no charismatic Leaders, in that case we should bring all those highly acclaimed academic or spiritual leaders who's character is clearly known to people, bring them as leaders and than may be than we will have a hope. But somehow we keep on bringing the same old people that we have tried many times before.

Frustrations and hopelessness and despair is not Muslim way of doing things. any time despair comes, just ask for forgiveness and think positive and think of our greats who suffered much more than we do when Islam was being introduced to humanity.

May Allah S.W.T. help us all to see the truth of Islam and act on it as it was intended Ameen

[AQN]

well I agree with your point of view ... infact nobody can deny with all these but if you're saying all these while taking us otherwise then with all respect I would explain my words by just sayin that this is what we ARE ... not how we SHOULD.

Am just highlighting the bad things because they need to be highlighted and I don't think that we're helpless in this regard so that only praying and asking help from ALLAH would be enough while practically not showing any enthusiasm to improve ourselves. ALLAH ask HIS creature to choose amongst RIGHT and WRONG ... to help themselves ... to do their part while ALMIGHTY ALLAH knows everything and everyone's intention. Don't get me wrong please.

BTW its sis AQN

[HULK]

Assalam Alaikam brother and sister.
I didnt know that there is a discussion going on, otherwise I would have dropped in earlier.

ASQR, you have noble thoughts, I respect them. But bro, with all due respect, unless and until we look at the reality and realize what pitfalls and short comings we possess, how can you expect us, as a nation, to improve?

I dont know how old both of you are, or do you work or are a student, but let me tell you what experience has told me.

It is really very easy, when you are living off your parents and still a student, to talk about "PATIORTISM". If this is the case, then probably no one in this whole forum would be as patriot as I am. I was in the Pakistan Army and have sacrificed my career, for the betterment of my country and my fellow citizens. I am an ardent, sorry need to make an amendment, I was an ardent patriot and nation lover and had placed PAKISTAN on top of all my emotions and desires.

But to my regret, in real life, that is not so easy to feel or think.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, tell what you can do for the country", are the immortal words that I have lived by my entire life. This piece of land has no meaning, because a place or a piece of land is not important unless people live there and it gains importance because of the people.

Try living a poor life in PAKISTAN for a few years. Try not having money and no influential relatives or relations. Try raising kids in such a devastating situation where you are not sure that your child is going out but woudl return home safely. Try imagining that some wreckless wagon driver ran over your father and he died instantly and you cant do anything because the darn driver works for a military officer and you have no ties in affluent places. Try getting some errands done like getting a gas connection, telephone connection, water connection, electric connection without being able to pay the BRIBE that has become an integral part of our soceity.

Try realizing and living through the SOCIAL problems that have upsized themselves around us and then try tackling those problems and let me assure you that by the time you reach my age, you would have cried your heart out and would have given up long before then :)

so my brother and sister, there is one thing for sure. No one can realize or understand what others suffer, unless one has been put in the same situation. Ask the family of those people who have been mutilated in undiscriminant suicide bombings, ask the families of those who have been wrongly accused of crimes they never did but since they are poor no one is there to back their cases up, try talking to the people who struggle from dusk till dawn and barely make enough to eat half their bellies and yet have no idea what they would do the following day.

Time has come for this nation to wake up from the selfish dream they are dreaming. If we want to have betterment in our lives we need to wake up. The rulers, beaurocrates, politicians, merchants and high ranking army officials are all to be be-headed in public and their wealth is to be distributed among poor, Islamic Shariah is to be enforced in the country so as the people can live the life as was dreamed some 60 yrs ago, rulers are to be elected on merit and education is to be porliferated through out the country to all the nation.

Unless we implement such measures, how do you propose we can deal with this????

PS: And AQN sister, the poem I posted above is my own poem that I wrote some couple of months ago only because my heart bleeds for the place I was born.

[ASQR]

AQN and emblem.

I read your posts, they are usual posts describing the conditions in pakistan as they exist, they existed as same when I was there, Only thing that can change is a charismatic leadership and we don't have that. so what is next step, In my humble opinion it would be scholars, educators and public at large who bring the desired change, tge change must be peaceful, logically based on Islamic rules and not the rules concoction by some illiterate nincompoop.

As for as the money is concerned it is possessed by few families and that have to be decided when those chosen people will take the helm of Pakistan.

To be poor is infect a blessing as all our Prophets of Allah were poor and lived from hand to mouth and many a times had no food to eat. But their firm belief kept them steady and they became the source of inspiration for mankind.

I fully understand what you are saying that no money, no food may shake your beliefs, but that is the time you need your belief stronger.

My age has nothing to do with what we are talking about it, we as Pakistani need to do is come together, and fix Pakistan by starting from this forum as we can use this medium to come clean and than ask others to do the same. continuing on this path will convince some and than they will convince others, it as simple as that.

It must be polite, honest, Islamic based and be convincing by the virtue of it being fair and reasonable. And most of all it must be peaceful.

so let us start a compiegne to sent letters to all our leaders asking them to be patriotic, non-voilant and show their concern by not asking for wages, sacrificing their big bunglows and live on reasonable income provided by country, and than go down to all govt official and ask them for the same, no more big bunglows, big Cars and servants.

They must walk freely in piblic and be liked by all, must listen to people and solve thier problem by extending their own hand, carry food on their back if need be. live like a comon man among comon man and be one of a common man and not an alien elite.

[HULK]

well bro for an aswer to your post, i would simply say:)

Khuda us kaum ki halat nahin badalta kabhi
Na ho jis ko khayal aap apni halat ke badalney ka

Iqbal said these immortal words for a reason:)

[AQN]

Originally Posted by ASQR

AQN and emblem.


To be poor is infect a blessing as all our Prophets of Allah were poor and lived from hand to mouth and many a times had no food to eat. But their firm belief kept them steady and they became the source of inspiration for mankind.

I fully understand what you are saying that no money, no food may shake your beliefs, but that is the time you need your belief stronger.

We know what you are saying … we believe the same but you are not getting (sorry if am wrong) our point … you’re seeing things idealistically and I have a philosophy that one should be Idealistic but up to realistic level … once we ignore the existing reality, our thoughts … our ideas … our dreams all just become useless … just like you have a great money in your bank account but not able to spend it.

It’s not about that no money can shake our beliefs nor it’s about making ourselves stronger … No! ...it’s all about The Reality … Though we as a Muslim believe and sooth us down in such scenario that whatever happens have some reason from ALLAH … but it doesn’t mean that one can bear everything staying silent (even ALLAH don't ask this from us) plus neither can be as patient as our Prophets and all … we are common people (May ALLAH bless us strength and guide us to follow them … Aameen) but you can’t justify all these biases … all these unlawful things while saying so. I am saying all these politely so I hope you don’t mind.

[AQN]

As far as awakening our leaders and others who have little more influence on the society and nation is concern, let me tell you few things …

The idea and concern of ASQR is commendable I too believe that we can’t just shout but doing nothing practically … but you know this is another negative aspect of us … the percentage is low who get up and speak for the betterment of this country and its people in real sense … then, 90% of those voice go in vain because no body (from that governance body) is sincere enough to listen to a common man … though I haven’t tried much myself but still my experience in this regard is 100% negative with “No Response” … like when we had that miserable earthquake (Oct. 8 2005) I desperately wanted to do something else if I couldn’t do anything physically … apart from articles and columns (which I sent to Dawn and Jang but never got published) I sent quite a few mails to people whom I considered will do something … there were suggestions … some point highlighted about all that scenario and things like that … but I didn’t receive any reply … No Surprise at all :)

Sorry I couldn’t continue my reply earlier as you know load shedding … another REALITY of Pakistan (please read Pakistani, The nation)

I don’t know why we do not follow Do-what-you-can-with-what-you-have philosophy … we don’t look for circumstantial solutions which could be implemented practically …we rather again talk about Ideal things … like for example everyone knows that it is not possible to close markets and malls at 8:00 or 9:00 pm to save electricity and cut down load shedding … it’s not practical at either end (consumer & producer) so I would call it another reason to EARN money ( I hope you got what I meant here with EARN).

Why not the concern department ask shopkeepers to cut down their electricity usage … power off unnecessary lighting etc etc … there are hundreds of solutions like this no matter it’s electricity issue … water or any other thing.

[AQN]

@ Emblem99

I agreed with your point of view as well and can understand your scenario ... I know it needs quite more than enough strength to survive as a patriot ... as being someone little different from the common lot and as passionate for doing my part or contribute what I can do.

At times it just let us down ...even if we don't loose our strength or faith, it at least linger our movements for sometime for sure ... after all we COMMON people ...isn't it!

Nice expression of your pain through that poem ... even I have written so many poems with this back ground ... you may find them in my subscribed thread here sometime when have enough time and like to share your views abt that ... I can recall few at the moment;

Insaaniyat tu mar gaee ... insaan baqi hey
achchayoo'n ka kuch kuch nishaan baqi hey,

bey aetanaee k aazaab sey tang aakey aakhir ko ...
makeen kooch ker gaey ..bas makaan baqi hey,

...........................................

ye kaisi khaam kheyaali hey
reet ye kis ney daali hey,

aik hi dunya k baasi hokey
kyun alag alag dunya basali hey,

kon suney ga ab naala-e-gul ko
k gulshan ka qatil ... khud hi maali hey,

....................

these are ones which I wrote little lately.